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[MENTION=7842]Z Buck McFate[/MENTION]
The term "Mental illness" consists of personality disorders as well as chemical imbalances. So the term mental illness applies to people with personality disorders as well as schizophrenics, etc. It's a general term to encompass all.
I use the term in that way in this thread. By saying "mental illness" I am not comparing any two disorders/imbalances or making intonation that any one is the same as the other.
I did say that anti-social personality can and often works co-morbidly with other disorders. It does. That is a very large point you're glossing over here as its very important in your premise and the hypothetical criteria you would use to vet the "psychopath".
However, I understand I could have been more specific.
I'm not being self-righteous or indignant when I say the thread premise is ignorant. I mean that in the strict definition, not as an personal insult.
Now that's out of the way:
If I understand what you're saying is that lack of affective empathy and/or emotional empathy is the golden ticket characteristic that effectively labels a "psychopath" correctly. Do you know how a psychopath uses empathy? How they can manipulate, con, control and disarm individuals?
I can tell you we don't know that exactly. We are trying to learn this and it's not a zero sum in these individuals but your premise somehow assumes we can identify this (pre-action) in the individual and pre-emptively stop bad things from happening via test.
Any "psychopath" would probably pass that test because look at this link: ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER - Antisocial Personality Disorder - National Library of Medicine - PubMed Health
Anti-social personality is a baseline disgnosis. "Psychopaths" often have co-morbid disorders that compound and add complexity to them. (Narcissism, etc).
A "psychopath" is not any one thing but it's also not any SPECIFIC number of more things! We can know characteristics but cannot correctly identify/determine "healthy" or "unhealthy" levels of these characteristics without a foundation of action supporting it.
Most especially, if we take ACTION of the individual out of the criteria for determining diagnosis then we are really being irresponsible. We would essentially be telling someone what they are going to do before they do it and taking action against them.
It would be like telling every woman with the BRCA1 gene they must have mandatory mastectomies because breast cancer is dangerous and it kills. It's just highly unethical.
That's what is so difficult about pinning it down. In pinning it down so that a stamp can be placed on an individual to pre-emptively stop them would be so invasive, so irresponsible to defy comprehension.
The term "Mental illness" consists of personality disorders as well as chemical imbalances. So the term mental illness applies to people with personality disorders as well as schizophrenics, etc. It's a general term to encompass all.
I use the term in that way in this thread. By saying "mental illness" I am not comparing any two disorders/imbalances or making intonation that any one is the same as the other.
I did say that anti-social personality can and often works co-morbidly with other disorders. It does. That is a very large point you're glossing over here as its very important in your premise and the hypothetical criteria you would use to vet the "psychopath".
However, I understand I could have been more specific.
I'm not being self-righteous or indignant when I say the thread premise is ignorant. I mean that in the strict definition, not as an personal insult.
Now that's out of the way:
If I understand what you're saying is that lack of affective empathy and/or emotional empathy is the golden ticket characteristic that effectively labels a "psychopath" correctly. Do you know how a psychopath uses empathy? How they can manipulate, con, control and disarm individuals?
I can tell you we don't know that exactly. We are trying to learn this and it's not a zero sum in these individuals but your premise somehow assumes we can identify this (pre-action) in the individual and pre-emptively stop bad things from happening via test.
Any "psychopath" would probably pass that test because look at this link: ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER - Antisocial Personality Disorder - National Library of Medicine - PubMed Health
The prevalence of antisocial personality disorder among prisoners is slightly less than 50% (Fazel & Danesh, 2002; Hart & Hare, 1989; Singleton et al., 1998). Similarly, epidemiological studies in the community estimate that only 47% of people meeting criteria for antisocial personality disorder had significant arrest records; a history of aggression, unemployment and promiscuity were more common than serious crimes among people with antisocial personality disorder (Robins, 1987; Robins et al., 1991). These data therefore show that the relationship between antisocial personality disorder and offending is not straightforward.
Anti-social personality is a baseline disgnosis. "Psychopaths" often have co-morbid disorders that compound and add complexity to them. (Narcissism, etc).
A "psychopath" is not any one thing but it's also not any SPECIFIC number of more things! We can know characteristics but cannot correctly identify/determine "healthy" or "unhealthy" levels of these characteristics without a foundation of action supporting it.
Most especially, if we take ACTION of the individual out of the criteria for determining diagnosis then we are really being irresponsible. We would essentially be telling someone what they are going to do before they do it and taking action against them.
It would be like telling every woman with the BRCA1 gene they must have mandatory mastectomies because breast cancer is dangerous and it kills. It's just highly unethical.
That's what is so difficult about pinning it down. In pinning it down so that a stamp can be placed on an individual to pre-emptively stop them would be so invasive, so irresponsible to defy comprehension.