The Avengers: Age of Ultron types

[Pionart]

Interesting. Another point for Hawkeye as ISFP, as he almost died to save a single child. Black widow would have radioed one of the more durable Avengers to go get the child.

As for the "seemed really stupid", I'm sure Nick Fury would agree with you, which is why he brought the helicarrier to run rescue operations, so the Avengers could take care of the task at hand.

An Fi dom eh... haha, good on Nick Fury. I was just thinking throughout those scenes "goddammit avengers, ignore these people! World gonna... be destroyed... let it go, save world. This is a small cost for what will happen if you don't fricken pay attention!"

Though, I did think the most powerful bit of the movie was Scarlet Witch's reaction to Quicksilver being killed...

 

[Totenkindly]

Interesting. Another point for Hawkeye as ISFP, as he almost died to save a single child. Black widow would have radioed one of the more durable Avengers to go get the child.

Yeah, exactly. That would have been a "rational" response... at least if there was time to send someone else. Hawkeye AND the child getting killed

Plus him leaving his family without a dad/husband

seem like negative modifiers, to be balanced in an equation -- but for someone who is just empathetic and also just says, "The kid's in trouble and needs me even if we'll both get hosed," it seemed like the most obvious choice to run out there. He didn't even really think much about it, he just did it from the gut.

I just rewatched the Wrath of Khan, and while Spock has a similar situation he's processing, he also had no real family he was leaving behind and you can actually almost see him "calculating the pro's and con's" and deciding that the best odds of success for everyone were for him to go in that radiation chamber, regardless of his rank or other relationships; he ends up making a very rational decision based on the maximized positive balanced sum of his calculation. The emotional fallout afterwards is secondary.

As for the "seemed really stupid", I'm sure Nick Fury would agree with you, which is why he brought the helicarrier to run rescue operations, so the Avengers could take care of the task at hand.

Yeah. And I admit, I'm more "balance sum" and just saw it as, "if that thing goes down, all of humanity is dead; so make sure you don't flub that, the rest is secondary."

Though, I did think the most powerful bit of the movie was Scarlet Witch's reaction to Quicksilver being killed...

That was good. And acceptable based on her personality... but of course created a bit of a problem in the meanwhile. But she was serving her own values there for good or bad; it made sense.

 

[uumlau]

That was good. And acceptable based on her personality... but of course created a bit of a problem in the meanwhile. But she was serving her own values there for good or bad; it made sense.

That's what I love about Joss Whedon's writing: he knows how to write characters that make sense, and draw drama from that. I can almost sense him thinking, "What would make sense for this character to do, and how can I use it to make the story move forward?" The main thing is that the only thing I need to suspend disbelief for in the story are the super-powers: all of the characters are very believably human. I don't think we'd have much success typing them without his writing skills.

 

[Totenkindly]

That's what I love about Joss Whedon's writing: he knows how to write characters that make sense, and draw drama from that. I can almost sense him thinking, "What would make sense for this character to do, and how can I use it to make the story move forward?" The main thing is that the only thing I need to suspend disbelief for in the story are the super-powers: all of the characters are very believably human. I don't think we'd have much success typing them without his writing skills.

While he has been most well-known for his video projects (Buffy, Firefly, Dr. Horrible, now a few movies), he's done some great work in comics. The only Astonishing X-Men graphic novels I've bought (for example) were his original run on the series (I think it was issues 1-24); he just did some nice work with long-established characters, they dialogue and behave in ways that make sense but he lets the story also derive from their choices.

I think he brought that to the movies, the characters keep consistent personas and the plot generates from their choices. Of course, like you said, that contributes to being able to see them more as "types" of characters; there are strong patterns there.

 

[violet_crown]

The ones who I suppose I might call truly amoral come off like the whiny nihilists from the Big Lebowski. Ultimately, Walter was right, and they are cowards. The only thing to do with those types is to just ignore their bullshit and tune them out. Handing them the money won't work, because they'll ask for something else.

I think I considered myself to be more of a relativist when I was younger. Mostly because, in its own way, Fi sort of impedes the ability to make categorical moral judgements. There's a strong inclination to just say, "Just because I don't understand it or it doesn't fit my value system, doesn't mean that I'm in a position to make a judgement to say that this thing or that is wrong, because I have no idea what it means to that person."

Interestingly enough, one of the few bits of Fe that my ENFJ ex was able to impart to me during our time together was the idea that, "Actually, rather than dithering in grey, sometimes it's alright to just say fucked up shit is fucked up." As an Fi-user, that was pretty empowering.

Who were the characters in the movie who were like "we can't let any single person die!" even though they were at the brink of destruction of the whole world? Idk if that has anything to do with type, but it just seemed really stupid.

It was Captain America, iirc. Honestly, it would have been pretty out of character for him to have said anything else.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

It was Captain America, iirc. Honestly, it would have been pretty out of character for him to have said anything else.

A woman I dated thought I reminded her of Captain America. I think it threw her for a loop when my inner Hulk came out (geez, that's going to make me sound like a wife-beater). I think I've gotten a good handle on my inner Hulk since then, though.

 

[Totenkindly]

It was Captain America, iirc. Honestly, it would have been pretty out of character for him to have said anything else.

"Hey, and... watch the language, people."

But yeah, Cap would have done that... and I like drama that springs from the characters themselves, driving the situation.

 

[bilbotook]

I think everyone on this thread is forgetting that T types totally have the capability of being good, friendly people. I've tried to say this over and over. T vs F is not about how nice or selfless you are. It's about the way you think. For F types, logic is voluntary while emotions are involuntary. For T types, emotions are voluntary while logic is involuntary.

 

[Totenkindly]

I think everyone on this thread is forgetting that T types totally have the capability of being good, friendly people. I've tried to say this over and over. T vs F is not about how nice or selfless you are. It's about the way you think. For F types, logic is voluntary while emotions are involuntary. For T types, emotions are voluntary while logic is involuntary.

Because, of course, it's binary like that.

... i'm really not sure what you're referring to, specifically.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Because, of course, it's binary like that.

... i'm really not sure what you're referring to, specifically.

T types retroactively invented the internet (lol!!!!!!!!!!11111111111). F types retroactively invented kittens.

 

[uumlau]

I think everyone on this thread is forgetting that T types totally have the capability of being good, friendly people. I've tried to say this over and over. T vs F is not about how nice or selfless you are. It's about the way you think. For F types, logic is voluntary while emotions are involuntary. For T types, emotions are voluntary while logic is involuntary.

As Jennifer notes, you're just trading one binary definition for another. In terms of MBTI, it's almost all involuntary, unconscious, without thought. Even the dominant function isn't entirely self-aware of its patterns, necessarily.

For the record, I was typing Black Widow as INFJ, when she's hardly a "unicorns and rainbows" NF type, and in fact had to provide reasoning for both the ISTP and INFJ feel of her character.

Typology is about observing patterns. The patterns don't determine behavior so much as allow others (and oneself) to discern behavior.

 

[Doomkid]

Iron Man-ENTP(agree)
Bruce Banner-INFJ
Thor-ESFJ
Black Widow-ISTP(agree..not absolutely sure)
Hawkeye-don't know
Quicksilver-don't know
Scarlet Witch-INFP(probably)
Ultron-don't know, don't care
Nick Fury- (nick who?)
Agent Hill-I probably didn't payed much attention to this movie....
Captain America - ESTJ
Strucker-ENFJ
Vision-untypable

 

[violet_crown]

A woman I dated thought I reminded her of Captain America. I think it threw her for a loop when my inner Hulk came out (geez, that's going to make me sound like a wife-beater). I think I've gotten a good handle on my inner Hulk since then, though.

No one ever said that NTPs didnt have a vicious streak to them....

T types retroactively invented the internet (lol!!!!!!!!!!11111111111). F types retroactively invented kittens.

So, I guess we did need each other, after all.

 

[Cellmold]

I think I considered myself to be more of a relativist when I was younger. Mostly because, in its own way, Fi sort of impedes the ability to make categorical moral judgements. There's a strong inclination to just say, "Just because I don't understand it or it doesn't fit my value system, doesn't mean that I'm in a position to make a judgement to say that this thing or that is wrong, because I have no idea what it means to that person."

Interestingly enough, one of the few bits of Fe that my ENFJ ex was able to impart to me during our time together was the idea that, "Actually, rather than dithering in grey, sometimes it's alright to just say fucked up shit is fucked up." As an Fi-user, that was pretty empowering.

I dunno I think moral absolutism is something either F function can contribute towards producing. What about Fi impedes categorical moral judgements? What you described sounds more like perception of other's positions which none of the judging functions really angle towards.

It's the perception-based ones which do. Have you ever really trod on the toes of an Fi-dominant? Fuck me...talk about rigid.

 

[big sexy]

I dunno I think moral absolutism is something either F function can contribute towards producing. What about Fi impedes categorical moral judgements? What you described sounds more like perception of other's positions which none of the judging functions really angle towards.

It's the perception-based ones which do. Have you ever really trod on the toes of an Fi-dominant? Fuck me...talk about rigid.

Maybe you can't really say who will make categorical moral judgements based on type alone.

 

[Cellmold]

Maybe you can't really say who will make categorical moral judgements based on type alone.

Yeah I guess you can't make judgements about anything really.

The issue is with strict adherence where strictness isn't necessary, especially in esoteric topics about finding observable patterns using unconfirmed data. Yet we, by nature are discerning creatures, so combine that with a system that is somewhat 'flexible' in it's interpretation and you can decide none of it has application.

But that undermines the way we approach our idea of reality, within judgements and perceptions. Its about sifting through what does and doesn't apply using the best information and evidence to hand. In this case it's largely experience based, but of course experience differs from person to person, so where does that end?

 

[bilbotook]

Because, of course, it's binary like that.

... i'm really not sure what you're referring to, specifically.

I'm sorry. are my terms too scientific. Well get used to it. We're talking about a psychological system here, not a religion.

 

[bilbotook]

From what I know of the Vision from the comics, he seems like an INTP.

Yeah, that's a possibility. btw, I'm starting to think agent Coulson IS actually an ISFJ like you said.

 

[BadOctopus]

Vision-untypable

He's not untypable. He isn't an emotionless robot.

In the comics, he marries the Scarlet Witch.

Yeah, that's a possibility. btw, I'm starting to think agent Coulson IS actually an ISFJ like you said.

Succeeeessss! Mwahaha!

 

[raissaroars]

I just don't understand how people can't see the clear Ni-Fe in Bruce Banner. He's definitely an INFJ, definitely, definitely. Black Widow is great at manipulation, which sometimes gets me typing her as an INFJ too, but I'd guess she's just a well-developed ISTP. Ultron sounds a lot like an ENFJ to me, thinking he knows exactly what people want and need, what the world wants and needs. An ENTJ wouldn't be so socially oriented like Ultron is.