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Roe no mo?

The Cat

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So does this mean lying under oath is no longer a big deal? Or just if Supreme Court Justices do it?
 

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So does this mean lying under oath is no longer a big deal? Or just if Supreme Court Justices do it?

The thing is that when this kinds of stuff starts to happen and politics is opening these kinds of topics that almost always means that the politicians have lost control over real problems. So they are searching for something that they can "solve" and present to the people.

For me that is the real bottom line here.
 

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The thing is that when this kinds of stuff starts to happen and politics is opening these kinds of topics that almost always means that the politicians have lost control over real problems. So they are searching for something that they can "solve" and present to the people.

For me that is the real bottom line here.
No disagreement here. In America if you ever want to know what your real masters really think of you, watch a commercial. Politics is theater distraction here, that's why so much of it reads like professional wrestling banter.
 

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No disagreement here. In America if you ever want to know what your real masters really think of you, watch a commercial. Politics is theater distraction here, that's why so much of it reads like professional wrestling banter.


Yeah, American adds on the issue are generally really bad and used too often. I never really understood how someone can buy this. But obviously someone does if this is being repeated from election cycle to elections cycle. I wouldn't really call the mainstream the distraction but there is evident unbalance between wishes and reality. That eventually piles up into a serious problem. I still think that they can't quite get what processes they have started with removing Roe. While those socio-economic consequences aren't irrelevant and not everything will remain on pure ideology, political win and good wishes.
 

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As someone in public health, I dread the massive negative consequences that are and will ensue from this decision. This isn't just limited to family planning, there are already stories of pharmacies and physicians denying care for ectopic pregnancies, miscarriages, and other conditions that are now subject to confusion because of these laws.

Let's not forget, of course, that a physician is coming under fire for providing a 10-year-old rape victim with an abortion.
 

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It just boggles my mind these hateful half measures when the real solution is just codifying Roe ffs.
If you start from the premise that the government has a right to make these sorts of decisions for people, there is no end to it. China is a prime example on the other side: government forcing people to have abortions vs. forcing them to bear children. Government at all levels needs just to stay out of it. Otherwise we leave ourselves open to this:

 
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If you start from the premise that the government has a right to make these sorts of decisions for people, there is no end to it. China is a prime example on the other side: government forcing people to have abortions vs. forcing them to bear children. Government at all levels needs just to stay out of it.
I'd love to live in that world...but yet...
 

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I personally think people should exercise less hedonism, more discipline. Ofc, excluding involuntary situations. But this believe I have, stands outside of government intervention. I believe in your body, your choice, and this applies to more than abortion. While I think abortion is extremely wrong, and should not be considered "health care" for reckless woman. Abortion is not healthcare, and causes severe health issues post abortion such as chronic depression and sterilization. (which no one likes to bring up). But I still believe in the potential to do so. And what I mean about "more than abortions" is vaccinations and other health care procedures. They should be inherently voluntary, and any law or requirement that violates these, have the same merit as abortion. If you are pro abortion, and pro forced vaccine, you are a fucking hypocrite.
 

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I personally think people should exercise less hedonism, more discipline. Ofc, excluding involuntary situations. But this believe I have, stands outside of government intervention. I believe in your body, your choice, and this applies to more than abortion. While I think abortion is extremely wrong, and should not be considered "health care" for reckless woman. Abortion is not healthcare, and causes severe health issues post abortion such as chronic depression and sterilization. (which no one likes to bring up). But I still believe in the potential to do so. And what I mean about "more than abortions" is vaccinations and other health care procedures. They should be inherently voluntary, and any law or requirement that violates these, have the same merit as abortion. If you are pro abortion, and pro forced vaccine, you are a fucking hypocrite.

You know "Pro-abortion" isn't really a position? Typically it's "anti-abortion" vs "abortion as necessary but not favored," that is under discussion.

Maybe go find accurate numbers of women who "use abortion as birth control" (however you are defining "abortion" -- does Plan B count, for example?), just to see if there is any merit in your particular argument? And then consider how hypocritical it is for men to even have sex with women if they don't want to have a child with her, since they are running a risk of contributing to a pregnancy? Without both of them, the pregnancy doesn't happen. If you're a guy who doesn't think women should have options but insist on sticking your <bleep> in her without protection and accepting the reality that condoms can fail, then you're part of the problem as well.

Aside from how epidemics work, if it was solely down to "your body your choice" for vaccinations, I'd be perfectly fine for you to exercise your right to kill yourself with a virus if that is indeed what you want, although I'm not sure how this became some kind of gold status card on self-autonomy nowadays. Unfortunately many innocent living people can also die in the process due to how epidemics actually work and the need for a certain amount of population to be protected. So a more nuanced discussion is needed here.
 

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I personally think people should exercise less hedonism, more discipline. Ofc, excluding involuntary situations. But this believe I have, stands outside of government intervention. I believe in your body, your choice, and this applies to more than abortion. While I think abortion is extremely wrong, and should not be considered "health care" for reckless woman. Abortion is not healthcare, and causes severe health issues post abortion such as chronic depression and sterilization. (which no one likes to bring up). But I still believe in the potential to do so. And what I mean about "more than abortions" is vaccinations and other health care procedures. They should be inherently voluntary, and any law or requirement that violates these, have the same merit as abortion. If you are pro abortion, and pro forced vaccine, you are a fucking hypocrite.
If you are saying my body my choice then turning around and insisting abortion isn't healthcare, then spouting right wing religious talking points with absolutely no citation or medical backup, you have a huge problem understanding what my body my choice means. Best to sit this one out.
 
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