Random Star Trek thoughts

[Totenkindly]

Yes, I'm horrible.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Yes, I'm horrible.



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Those Frakes puns are almost as bad as some of the puns from when he hosted Fact or Fiction (which I am convinced is just Riker goofing around on the holodeck and playing a TV show host).

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

 

[The Cat]

Those Frakes puns are almost as bad as some of the puns from when he hosted Fact or Fiction (which I am convinced is just Riker goofing around on the holodeck and playing a TV show host).

I just realized I would use the holodeck to be a guest on every talk show where Norm MacDonald just showed up to.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

This is a little, just a little, what my thirties have been like:

 

[Totenkindly]

5 Reasons Why Star Trek: Section 31 Failed - SlashFilm

Star Trek: Section 31 failed to impress critics, longtime Trekkies, or casual sci-fi action fans. Here's why the Discovery spinoff film was a bust.

www.slashfilm.com

 

[The Cat]

They wrote a show that some of the fans asked for and marketed it to the fans who didnt ask for it, managing to piss off both the fans who didnt want it, and the ones who didnt want it like this.

Section 31 needs to be tv ma and every bit as dark dirty and gritty as Ds9 alluded to. Also Jason Isaacs would have been better used in a Section 31 series than as a half assed written and poorly set up twist villain.

Its supposed to be about the men and women who become invisible monsters and disposable agents of chaos FOR the Federation. They're the fanatical black operatives who soak their hands in the blood of the innocent and guilty to proliferate the ability of the federation to pretend that it is paradise for its citizens. It should have been a show that was a spy thriller putting agents of the public facing Starfleet Intelligence, in grudging partnership with the boogeymen of section 31 going up against the cardassian obsidian order, the romulan tal shiar, Maquis Terrorists, hard choices with no good answer but outcomes that allow for the illusion of what the federation stands for...It should have been been a spy thriller/crime procedural set in the Star Trek universe.

The whole Empress Georgeu thing bugged me, as good a job as the actress did with it and I always enjoy seeing her in things, and she chewed the scenery so well, the whole mirror universe twist arc was just handled so poorly and arbitrary trying to force payoffs when the writing didnt make it logical or feel earned.

Is there a section 31 property oportunity that could work. Most definitely. Several point of fact. But this whatever it was supposed to be, was not any of them.

 

[Totenkindly]

I never ended up watching it because I didn't even care at this point and figured it would suck. So I guess it was weak, toothless, and the typical ST pabulum that often takes the place of a real series?

 

[ygolo]

I have a lot of Friends who catch every Star Trek.

Deep Space 9 was the last one I watched all the episodes for.

If I feel nostalgic, DS9 or TNG (from Season 3 on) are the ones I watch.

I kinda want to write my own sci-fi, given how much I dislike most of what's out there.

 

[The Cat]

I never ended up watching it because I didn't even care at this point and figured it would suck. So I guess it was weak, toothless, and the typical ST pabulum that often takes the place of a real series?

Aint it always the way? If I didnt know better I would think it was an excuse to sink money into a project designed to fail in order to justify dumping new star trek projects.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I did not care for Disco but this scene really hit hard and stuck with me more than any other moment from that season.

Knowing the tragedy of Pike and “The Cage”/“The Menagerie” adds a heavy emotional layer to his presence throughout Disco season 2 as well as SNW. It’s further compounded by Anson Mount’s performance. He’s just so likable and a solid guy as Pike—he doesn’t deserve his fate but he’s the kind of guy that is going to selflessly save others and damn himself to said fate; no good deed goes unpunished I guess. Like to the point I feel he could make a candidate for Mount Rushmore of trek captains. And he’s a handsome devil, possibly hottest trek captain.

Honestly I never much cared for Jeffrey Hunter’s Pike in The Cage. He certainly looked the part (I also like that Mount bears a striking resemblance), but he was flat and one dimensional. But Mount really humanized and rounded the character

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

 

[Totenkindly]

I did not care for Disco but this scene really hit hard and stuck with me more than any other moment from that season.

Knowing the tragedy of Pike and “The Cage”/“The Menagerie” adds a heavy emotional layer to his presence throughout Disco season 2 as well as SNW. It’s further compounded by Anson Mount’s performance. He’s just so likable and a solid guy as Pike—he doesn’t deserve his fate but he’s the kind of guy that is going to selflessly save others and damn himself to said fate; no good deed goes unpunished I guess. Like to the point I feel he could make a candidate for Mount Rushmore of trek captains. And he’s a handsome devil, possibly hottest trek captain.

Honestly I never much cared for Jeffrey Hunter’s Pike in The Cage. He certainly looked the part (I also like that Mount bears a striking resemblance), but he was flat and one dimensional. But Mount really humanized and rounded the character

Yeah, I forget much of the detail now, but I was surprised at how much I liked Mount in Disco S2. I naturally gravitate more towards captains like Lorca, but Mount's version of Pike really won me over and that episode -- Pike seeing what might happen but persisting anyway -- was heart-rending. It was honestly a great performance.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Yeah, I forget much of the detail now, but I was surprised at how much I liked Mount in Disco S2. I naturally gravitate more towards captains like Lorca, but Mount's version of Pike really won me over and that episode -- Pike seeing what might happen but persisting anyway -- was heart-rending. It was honestly a great performance.

What are your thoughts on Sisko? They underwrote him early on but when they grew the beard and figured out how to properly deploy Avery Brooks…

 

[The Cat]

Autsitic special intrest info dump incoming:

Sisko might be my favorite over all but if Pike gets seven seasons, Pike could dethrone Sisko. I liked Sisko over all because to me he feels like the most real person of the Captains, followed by Jayneway, Kirk, Picard and Archer. I found Jayneway to be closed off, Kirk was from the Wild West era, Picard is classy but kind of scattered is he an up tight nerd, or an arrogant rebel, (I rationalize this dichotomy by theorizing that Picard might not like who he was as a young man and goes the extra mile to not be that person)

And then there's Archer... who I think suffers from being on television at that particular time, television shows were...of a kind in the late 90's and early aughts. His beef with the Vulcans always felt like it was thrown in because "we need the conflict to add to the dynamic" but idk, the whole Enterprise idea of Vulcans are marginally more polite Romulins seemed particularly in focus but it got me multiple episodes of Jeffrey Coombs doing anything so It's probably tied with Voyager as my second favorite series behind ds9.

Anson Mount's Pike is a phenomenal role, played very well by a talented actor... playing a character so well written as the perfect leader that I find it difficult to believe in them existing outside of a beautiful dream. Commander Adama in the Battlestar Reboot felt like this too, "a soft touch" that is seemingly too soft to be able to work, Adama had Saul Tighe to be rough, but Pike is Fucking like everyone's favorite dad. Don't get me wrong I like it. I wish more characters like this existed and maybe it would be more common in real life, but Sisko feels more like a real person, he's not perfect and he does what it takes. I think That Sisko and Pike are the only Captains who cook for their bridge crew, but I feel like Pike is probably the only one who knows all his lower deckers by name.

SNW is a welcome addition to the cannon, I think its a shame that Discovery doesn't seem very well written. They're relying too much on gimmick and (internet controversy) to drive the show along, which is why everything felt like it was picked out of a grab bag, rushed and mistreated from a writing perspective. The Kelvin series only worked because of the casting and "how good of a job they did casting people who looked like the originals....Discovery trying to borrow aesthetic and plot cues from the Kelvin series was its major failing (and rushing the Lorca reveal, that is a season 3 revelation, but they didnt believe in their own show so they rushed it...didnt pay off the way it couldve. And the whole Emperor from the mirror universe thing being somehow good while Lorca was supposed to be evil...I just... pick a god damned lane stop trying to drive both ways in both lanes at the same time)

Contrasting with SNW where writing seems to be in the forefront. I love what they've done with the Gorn and i have no idea why they did it or what theyre up to with the whole Khan subplot, but I'm going to be real. Its a bit of a head fuck seeing the old technology time period being full of new tech there was no way to practically simulate in the 60's I think eventually they're just gonna reboot classic star trek some more but I don't get a good feeling when it comes to any "new ideas" or voyages of other ships....though it's the perfect thing to do with the franchise, to boldly go where most other franchises fear to tread....no cameos...

I maintain if they want to go with a cameo palooza they just need to make a Starfleet Academy series feature old cast members as instructors and a bunch of new actors as cadets. Keep a consistent A/B story through out and cover instructors and cadets and focus on the dichotomy of those who have boldy gone before preparing those who will boldly go in the future...then just keep the ball rolling....

And FFS if they're gonna do a section 31 please run it as a spy thriller or mystery series start the cast out as a mix of 'good' people who think they're willing to do whatever it takes for "the greater good", some 'bad' people who are looking to indulge in their nature but without getting in trouble...then spend the next five to seven seasons dragging us all over the galaxy with noir sentiment and moral dubiousness. There are ways to punish the audience along with the characters in a narratively satisfying way. Not...whatever it was the section 31 movie was supposed to be about aside from just hate its viewers.

tl;dr...

Golly, I think Sisko is just aces, but Pike sure is nifty too.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Yeah, Sisko is such a great morale leader. He’s really not afraid to get his hands dirty with the troops. He’s a badass wartime leader but also a big teddy bear of a man. He’s sort of the station dad to the rest of the cast. While Picard’s tv dad was that of the stoic, wise, slightly distanced older man, Sisko was the guy who might show up on occasion for a drink at Quark’s with Dax. He is the guy who gives O Brien marriage advice. He’s the guy that is happy to play baseball with his coworkers.

DS9 feels more blue collar Star Trek to me. The people on the cushy starships like Enterprise were somewhat an exception. Most officers were serving in dump backwaters or on shitty older excelsior and Miranda class ships during TNG/ds9 era

Sisko, and the rest of the DS9 cast, felt more like real, quirky people. More so than TNG where they all came off like they were top of their class overachievers with sticks up their butts

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Enterprise D should have had at least a few counselors for a ship of over a thousand. Given the number of deaths and traumatic experiences, it seems downplayed and glossed over. Partly due to the writers not fully knowing how to use Troi.

In general, I am disappointed in how that era of trek treated stuff like PTSD. DS9 did get it pretty right with their depiction of Nog’s PTSD. But most characters that go through major shit (Picard in Best of Both Worlds, Riker in Frame of Mind, etc) are totally fine within an episode or two. These are majorly fucked experiences that would leave anyone needing years of therapy. It might have been cool to see the show occasionally touching the topic of how Picard is dealing with his trauma, etc

Poor O Brien went through so much between being bullied by aliens and Keiko, it’s a wonder he maintained sanity

 

[The Cat]

Enterprise D should have had at least a few counselors for a ship of over a thousand. Given the number of deaths and traumatic experiences, it seems downplayed and glossed over. Partly due to the writers not fully knowing how to use Troi.

In general, I am disappointed in how that era of trek treated stuff like PTSD. DS9 did get it pretty right with their depiction of Nog’s PTSD. But most characters that go through major shit (Picard in Best of Both Worlds, Riker in Frame of Mind, etc) are totally fine within an episode or two. These are majorly fucked experiences that would leave anyone needing years of therapy. It might have been cool to see the show occasionally touching the topic of how Picard is dealing with his trauma, etc

Poor O Brien went through so much between being bullied by aliens and Keiko, it’s a wonder he maintained sanity

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

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[Kingu Kurimuzon]

So are the cardies reptiles, mammals, or something else? Personally I like the idea of them coming from theropod-like ancestors. If they aren’t mammalian though, I wonder how they are even genetically close enough to Bajorans (and presumably other mammalian biped species) to be able to produce offspring.