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watching star trek V and I'm pretty certain some of the corridor scenes were just using existing TNG corridor sets, which would have been filming at the same time.

I believe they did that for Star Trek VI as well. I actually saw that in theaters ages ago. Main thing I remember is the purple Klingon blood.
 

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I’m also pretty sure the bird of prey bridge from IV was reused in altered forms on subsequent movies and shows every time they needed a Klingon bridge set.
 

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In Star Trek Generations, during Picard's Nexus fantasy, he is seen with a wife and children. I think a cool touch and missed opportunity would have been having his wife in that fantasy be Jenice Manheim. Jenice was his great lost love featured in the season one episode "We'll Always Have Paris". The episode itself is not great, but it would have been a nice touch, as it might make sense that if Picard had chosen to be a family man, he might have settled down with his great lost love Jenice. Just a subtle reference would have been enough, it would have satisfied the diehard trekkies without adding info that might confuse more casual fans unaware of that lore.

I also don't understand why Kirk's ideal fantasy was him puttering around a farm and chopping wood. Wouldn't his spot of bliss be doing what he knew and loved best and commanding a starship or fighting some alien on some harsh planet surface?

So I think what the nexus does, based on the evidence, is not provie the ultimate fantasy, but rather gives users a view at potential alternate realities had they made different choices in their life. It's a sort of correct-your-regrets or grass-is-greener simulation device.

I'd love to have seen what Soran's and Guinan's experiences were while in the nexus, but we can only wonder.

I think the nexus is an artificial construct rather than a naturally occurring anomaly. Essentially some form of super-advanced holodeck likely designed by an ancient and advanced civilization. This is an aspect I would have like to have seen addressed more--the actual nature of the nexus, but instead it's just used as a convenient plot device and no one in the film ever tries to understand its nature--that seemed contrary to how the crew would've approached it if this had been an episode of the series rather than a movie. But being a big action movie, they had to focus more on the big villain and ignore the interesting scientific and philosophical implications of the situation. This is characteristic of where most of the ST films have gone wrong--providing dumbed down space opera because the writers and producers assume that audiences don't want to think too much. Which may be true, given how many people consider The Motion Picture to be the worst Trek film.
 
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In Star Trek Generations, during Picard's Nexus fantasy, he is seen with a wife and children. I think a cool touch and missed opportunity would have been having his wife in that fantasy be Jenice Manheim. Jenice was his great lost love featured in the season one episode "We'll Always Have Paris". The episode itself is not great, but it would have been a nice touch, as it might make sense that if Picard had chosen to be a family man, he might have settled down with his great lost love Jenice. Just a subtle reference would have been enough, it would have satisfied the diehard trekkies without adding info that might confuse more casual fans unaware of that lore.

I also don't understand why Kirk's ideal fantasy was him puttering around a farm and chopping wood. Wouldn't his spot of bliss be doing what he knew and loved best and commanding a starship or fighting some alien on some harsh planet surface?

So I think what the nexus does, based on the evidence, is not provie the ultimate fantasy, but rather gives users a view at potential alternate realities had they made different choices in their life. It's a sort of correct-your-regrets or grass-is-greener simulation device.

I'd love to have seen what Soran's and Guinan's experiences were while in the nexus, but we can only wonder.

I think the nexus is an artificial construct rather than a naturally occurring anomaly. Essentially some form of super-advanced holodeck likely designed by an ancient and advanced civilization. This is an aspect I would have like to have seen addressed more--the actual nature of the nexus, but instead it's just used as a convenient plot device and no one in the film ever tries to understand its nature--that seemed contrary to how the crew would've approached it if this had been an episode of the series rather than a movie. But being a big action movie, they had to focus more on the big villain and ignore the interesting scientific and philosophical implications of the situation. This is characteristic of where most of the ST films have gone wrong--providing dumbed down space opera because the writers and producers assume that audiences don't want to think too much. Which may be true, given how many people consider The Motion Picture to be the worst Trek film.

Because everyone raves about Khan, people started getting the idea that every trek movie needs to be about stopping a megalomaniacal villain who wants to use some kind of space magic to blow something up. Eventually it got to the point where they even pointlessly remade Wrath of Khan, even though we were totally assured that the movie didn't have Khan in it.

Oddly, Star Wars has the opposite problem. Everyone raves about the movie with no Death Star, but everyone wants to keep on going back to the well and have it be about stopping a planet-destroying super weapon.
 

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Because everyone raves about Khan, people started getting the idea that every trek movie needs to be about stopping a megalomaniacal villain who wants to use some kind of space magic to blow something up. Eventually it got to the point where they even pointlessly remade Wrath of Khan, even though we were totally assured that the movie didn't have Khan in it.

Oddly, Star Wars has the opposite problem. Everyone raves about the movie with no Death Star, but everyone wants to keep on going back to the well and have it be about stopping a planet-destroying super weapon.

Yeah, that Khan remake was atrocious. Had they make him an original villain, I might not have minded so much. Actually the secondary villain played by Peter Weller could've carried the film pretty well without Khan in the picture.

It was stupid because in the original WoK, there was history between Kirk and Khan that made the struggle more emotional and impactful. In STID, they've never met, so their interactions don't carry the same tension or weight. It was fan service, the Star Trek universe equivalent of dropping Boba Fett or Vader into something for no good reason.
 

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I don’t understand that line from Picard “interfering is definitely his thing.” Was she being sarcastic? Picard was almost almost always staunchly against interfering in other cultures’ affairs, sometimes frustratingly so. I don’t understand. I really don’t think the writers did an ounce of research

 

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Birthright (TNG) is a strange two-parter. The B plot with Bashir and Data and the A plot with Worf feel like separate episodes. I feel like the Worf section could've been condensed into one episode, but the writers couldn't figure out how to fill 45 minutes runtime with just the Bashir and Data plot. So instead they made it a two parter and tacked it onto an episode about Worf. Thematically, the A and B plot are related, but otherwise I find the tones contrast too much.

Usually I find the second parts of two-part episodes to drag a bit, but in this case, I think I think it's a rare case in which the second half is superior.

Other instances where second parts are superior to first parts: the DS9 episode where Worf and Garak are imprisoned by the Jem'Hadar; Chain of Command (TNG)
 

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Also, RIP Christopher Plummer, AKA General Change from Star Trek VI. I always thought it kind of silly and annoying that Klingons would be into Shakespeare, but he did make a memorable villain.
 

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Star Trek First Contact would've been better as a DS9 movie. Or perhaps a crossover MCU extended universe style film featuring members of both crews teamed up against the Borg. There's already a perfect set up for this, because the Defiant was there battling the Borg cube in the beginning of the film. It doesn't make sense they wouldn't send Sisko and other senior DS9 crew for such an extreme threat. Picard is completely out of character in the movie and some of his dialogue and actions feel like a better fit for Sisko. We saw him evolve into being less hateful of the Borg in several episodes, but all of that was forgotten by the writers of this movie. Sisko, on the other hand, lost his own wife to them and had probably never totally gotten over the Battle of Wolf 359. The part where Picard tells his security to stand their ground and fight hand-to-hand and he calls Worf a coward...picture that as a scene between Sisko and Worf and it works much better. The movie even feels more like a DS9 film than a TNG film in tone. Picard is totally out of character in these films. They're fun but I don't really feel they're part of my head canon.
 

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Who preferred Dr Pulaski to Dr Crusher?

She gets no love and I know she was only on for one season but I liked her better than Crusher. She was kind of an ass to Data but it meant potential for a good arc between the two, and as the season progressed, she did seem to come to respect him much more.

I understand the actress had a shitty time and never really felt like she was part of the family, so she didn’t leave on the best of terms, but it’s a shame we never saw her come back in a guest spot. Would’ve been interesting to see her interact with Dr Crusher. She’d maybe have been a better fit for DS9 or Voyager though
 
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Who preferred Dr Pulaski to Dr Crusher?

She gets no love and I know she was only on for one season but I liked her better than Crusher. She was kind of an ass to Data but it meant potential for a good arc between the two, and as the season progressed, she did seem to come to respect him much more.

I don't really like her for precisely that reason. I'm going through her episodes and I miss Dr. Crusher, even though the second season is much better than the first.
 

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Who preferred Dr Pulaski to Dr Crusher?

She gets no love and I know she was only on for one season but I liked her better than Crusher. She was kind of an ass to Data but it meant potential for a good arc between the two, and as the season progressed, she did seem to come to respect him much more.

I understand the actress had a shitty time and never really felt like she was part of the family, so she didn’t leave on the best of terms, but it’s a shame we never saw her come back in a guest spot. Would’ve been interesting to see her interact with Dr Crusher. She’d maybe have been a better fit for DS9 or Voyager though
Her demeanor was kinda stern and critical, so she felt really scoldy. She had an anxious energy about her as well which isn't 'bad', but it can make people feel uncomfortable. It can mean less charisma.
 

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I don't really like her for precisely that reason. I'm going through her episodes and I miss Dr. Crusher, even though the second season is much better than the first.

Dr Pulaski never boned a 19th century ghost

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Her demeanor was kinda stern and critical, so she felt really scoldy. She had an anxious energy about her as well which isn't 'bad', but it can make people feel uncomfortable. It can mean less charisma.

I’d rather have Pulaski as my primary doctor
 
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Dr Pulaski never boned a 19th century ghost

I didn't get to that one yet.

If I'm feeling goofy I might check out the Voyager episode where Janeway and Paris turn into salamanders with moustaches and make salamander babies. (I've only seen the clip so far).
 

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I didn't get to that one yet.

If I'm feeling goofy I might check out the Voyager episode where Janeway and Paris turn into salamanders with moustaches and make salamander babies. (I've only seen the clip so far).

Major cringe. Also the DS9 one where the Defiant is shrunken. Honey I shrunk the trek. Or the singing hippies in that TOS episode
 
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