Norms in society that make no sense?

[Paisley]

Also, I'll take this as an admission for negative proof.

Never! Evidence of absence isn't absence of evidence!

High fatty foods for you tonight to increase the metabolism and decrease the inevitable hangover tomorrow! (I just learned that on Q.I.)

Good night bud.

 

[Hypatia]

Never! Evidence of absence isn't absence of evidence!

High fatty foods for you tonight to increase the metabolism and decrease the inevitable hangover tomorrow! (I just learned that on Q.I.)

Good night bud.

Wow! You've really bested my logic there. Inb4 this shows up on plagiarism checkers under the category of: begging for collective sympathies.

If you can't learn how to step outside of yourself and receive others' communications in good faith, you're not going to have any chance of overcoming this maimed, bastardized version of Schopenhauerian Idealism you've sailed on for-- how many years is it now? I'm probably going to stop being your gullible hand-maiden very soon if you don't come up with positive proof.

 

[Paisley]

Wow! You've really bested my logic there. Inb4 this shows up on plagiarism checkers under the category of: begging for collective sympathies.

If you can't learn how to step outside of yourself and receive others' communications in good faith, you're not going to have any chance of overcoming this maimed, bastardized version of Schopenhauerian Idealism you've sailed on for-- how many years is it now? I'm probably going to stop being your gullible hand-maiden very soon if you don't come up with positive proof.

Everyone has GOT to read this tomorrow, so funny, you've made my night.

I genuinely have no idea where this is coming from, my sides are hurting laughing.

Sleep next to a toilet and drink lots of water, dehydration is a serious problem when you're heaving all night.

Get well soon.

 

[Hypatia]

Everyone has GOT to read this tomorrow, so funny, you've made my night.

I genuinely have no idea where this is coming from, my sides are hurting laughing.

Sleep next to a toilet and drink lots of water, dehydration is a serious problem when you're heaving all night.

Get well soon.

More emotions: 2
Logic: 0

 

[Hypatia]

Also, thanks for delaying your all-important sleep schedule just to festoon me with more emotional drunk spittle.

 

[Mind Maverick]

Everyone has GOT to read this tomorrow, so funny, you've made my night.

I genuinely have no idea where this is coming from, my sides are hurting laughing.

Sleep next to a toilet and drink lots of water, dehydration is a serious problem when you're heaving all night.

Get well soon.

Yeah, it is rather ridiculous. They weren't drunk, lol they were just going along with what you said. They enjoy baiting people and causing problems. Ignore them, they're just some high schooler emotionally vomiting on random people because their crush didn't ask them to the prom. Also an obvious dupe who is dumb enough to give themselves away by continuously accusing everyone else of being one and bringing up past events that apparently happened via some other dupe.

 

[Paisley]

Yeah, it is rather ridiculous. They weren't drunk, lol they were just going along with what you said. They enjoy baiting people and causing problems. Ignore them, they're just some high schooler emotionally vomiting on random people because their crush didn't ask them to the prom. Also an obvious dupe who is dumb enough to give themselves away by continuously accusing everyone else of being one and bringing up past events that apparently happened via some other dupe.

Shouldn't forum duping and derailing be moderated and the account suspended?

On another website, I asked a question that was outside the confines of the discussion rules, and I got the question redacted, and sent to the proper forum, if you can believe. The moderators here at Typology Central aren't so legalistic.

Hypatia's been here too long to be a high schooler, but perhaps it's a group account? Do you think Hypatia's a bot? We could be talking to an A.I. looking for proofs and doesn't understand emotions, and their use of speech would probably sound drunk to us. It's possible. lolz.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

None of you really seem like dupes. Beyond that, I have no idea what is going on. I wish this thing could just play out but the way things work these days whoever loses is going to end up banned.

This is the kind of stuff that actually has damaged the forum, more than moderator heavy-handedness. People think these games are fun I think (oooh drama how exciting!) but I personally just find them tedious and exhausting.

This is what I mean when I say that if the mods are guilty of being heavy-handed, it's because it's what the loudest people want. "I got in a pissing match with X about nothing, MODS you need to ban this person RIGHT now because of all the trauma they gave me. " They probably get 50 reports from the same person saying exactly this.

 

[Paisley]

None of you really seem like dupes. Beyond that, I have no idea what is going on. I wish this thing could just play out but the way things work these days whoever loses is going to end up banned.

This is the kind of stuff that actually has damaged the forum, more than moderator heavy-handedness. People think these games are fun I think (oooh drama how exciting!) but I personally just find them tedious and exhausting.

This is what I mean when I say that if the mods are guilty of being heavy-handed, it's because it's what the loudest people want.

That lends itself neatly to another norm in society that makes no sense to me:

Forum duping and derailing. While funny, it's quite tedious and exhausting, also self destructive to your account.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

That lends itself neatly to another norm in society that makes no sense to me:

Forum duping and derailing. While funny, it's quite tedious and exhausting, also self destructive to your account.

I don't see that as a norm. What I do see as an annoying norm is the idea that petty squabbling about minor issues is somehow gripping interpersonal drama that is "fun" to watch. No, it isn't. It's extremely tedious.

 

[Paisley]

I don't see that as a norm. What I do see as an annoying norm is the idea that petty squabbling about minor issues is somehow gripping interpersonal drama that is "fun" to watch. No, it isn't. It's extremely tedious.

People intentionally derail discussions all the time, either acting out or drunk, and I'll agree to disagree on what is and isn't funny, lolz.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

People intentionally derail discussions all the time, either acting out or drunk, and I'll agree to disagree on what is and isn't funny, lolz.

Is it the worst thing in a world if a discussion gets derailed with a bit of nonsense? If it's truly annoying, you can always ignore it.

 

[Paisley]

Is it the worst thing in a world if a discussion gets derailed with a bit of nonsense? If it's truly annoying, you can always ignore it.

No, it's hilarious, because to me it's so disconnected and looks so out of context that it's like word salad, as though they're having a stroke, aneurysm, or drunk. I find derailing funny, but, I just don't have the energy or MO to ever think that way, because I'm here to learn.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

No, it's hilarious, because to me it's so disconnected and looks so out of context that it's like word salad, as though they're having a stroke, aneurysm, or drunk. I find derailing funny, but, I just don't have the energy or MO to ever think that way, because I'm here to learn.

I admit I was guilty of posting nonsense yesterday. I haven't done that in a while but it was the topic in question that prompted me to do so.

 

[Paisley]

I admit I was guilty of posting nonsense yesterday. I haven't done that in a while but it was the topic in question that prompted me to do so.

Oh Julius. I do find a lot of your posts funny, but do you find derailing to be a form of lying, like wanting to connect by disconnecting? I find this is a fairly safe space to just be truthful and stay on topic.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Oh Julius. I do find a lot of your posts funny, but do you find derailing to be a form of lying, and cognitive dissonance, wanting to connect by disconnecting? I find this is a fairly safe space to just be truthful and stay on topic.

I'm more interested in why people do it then how I would classify it. Sometimes it's because people are bored or because they find the way people usually discuss a topic to be irritating. In the case of the latter, people are usually emotionally invested in the discourse I find so irritating, so this means that it won't do any good for me to come out and say why I think that's false or off. All that usually results in is that they will group me with whoever they've decided doesn't need to be listened to on that particular matter, regardless of whether or not evidence exists to place me in that category . I guess if I think other people could learn from a perspective, it still is valuable to share my actual point of view, but if someone doesn't think so, I can see how it might be more enjoyable to just post obfuscating nonsense.

Of course, I rarely post deliberately obfuscating nonsense these days, and yesterday was the rare exception. I stopped primarily because people object to the nonsense, even though they are also posting nonsense, the only difference is that they do not believe it to be nonsense.

 

[Paisley]

I'm more interested in why people do it then how I would classify it. Sometimes it's because people are bored or because they find the way people usually discuss a topic to be irritating. In the case of the latter, people are usually emotionally invested in the discourse I find so irritating, so this means that it won't do any good for me to come out and say why I think that's false or off. All that usually results in is that they will group me with whoever they've decided doesn't need to be listened to on that particular matter, regardless of whether or not evidence exists to place me in that category . I guess if I think other people could learn from a perspective, it still is valuable to share my actual point of view, but if someone doesn't think so, I can see how it might be more enjoyable to just post obfuscating nonsense.

Of course, I rarely post deliberately obfuscating nonsense these days, and yesterday was the rare exception. I stopped primarily because people object to the nonsense, even though they are also posting nonsense, the only difference is that they do not believe it to be nonsense.

Doesn't move the thread along very well though. Does it?

 

[ceecee]

The overuse of the term "cognitive dissonance" in this thread is amusing.

 

[Mind Maverick]

None of you really seem like dupes. Beyond that, I have no idea what is going on. I wish this thing could just play out but the way things work these days whoever loses is going to end up banned.

This is the kind of stuff that actually has damaged the forum, more than moderator heavy-handedness. People think these games are fun I think (oooh drama how exciting!) but I personally just find them tedious and exhausting.

This is what I mean when I say that if the mods are guilty of being heavy-handed, it's because it's what the loudest people want. "I got in a pissing match with X about nothing, MODS you need to ban this person RIGHT now because of all the trauma they gave me. " They probably get 50 reports from the same person saying exactly this.

In case you haven't noticed the pattern, I really only get involved in things when I am holding my ground/asserting myself in self-defense...which is less about the person I'm speaking to and more about the audience - usually involves me replying with the truth so it's not enshrouded by lies and bullshit so that they look like the victim when they are the ones attacking me and falsely accusing me of shit. If I didn't do that (since I know these idiots don't even matter)--what, then I get some shitty reputation I never earned, which means I'm treated by others as though I'm some shitty way that I'm not, simply because I didn't assert myself or speak up? Nah.

I also never reported their behavior. The most I did was flag them as a possible dupe, which I saw as beneficial because they have a pattern of initiating conflict with several others (not only me), thus causing forum unrest. My only other report was a request that they be blocked from my blogs for the prevention of additional problems, considering they literally just waltzed into my blog and started being passive-aggressive even while I was being neutral/friendly/nice/making conversation. I didn't even request for that to be moved to off-topic, I just moved on. So "ban them now because pissing match" never happened. The "ooh drama, how exciting!" comment (which is extremely far from how I am) is just an example of what's wrong with the moderation on this site. Someone asserts themselves a little in pure defense, uses a report button twice--and in a purely functionality-oriented way which was intended to either avoid more drama or help out the mods/forum, wasn't even me complaining about them--and then gets accused of this type of crap. Yes, I consider that being too heavy-handed in the sense that it exaggerates my actions, attributes negative motives that aren't there, and fails to take into account that I am not going around starting crap with people. Plus doesn't give people a little room to assert themselves, work through the conflict (some is normal in interaction) and resolve it/move on.

EDIT: Well, at least not while medicated, but the times I did cause problems were caused by loss of control over temper due to chemical imbalance / mania, which I withdrew from conflict once I realized that and explained about later on the feeling thread in the past. These days it's rare I forget meds though and all of that was before I returned.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I also never reported their behavior. The most I did was flag them as a possible dupe, which I saw as beneficial because they have a pattern of initiating conflict with several others (not only me), thus causing forum unrest. My only other report was a request that they be blocked from my blogs for the prevention of additional problems, considering they literally just waltzed into my blog and started being passive-aggressive even while I was being neutral/friendly/nice/making conversation. I didn't even request for that to be moved to off-topic, I just moved on. So "ban them now because pissing match" never happened. The "ooh drama, how exciting!" comment (which is extremely far from how I am) is just an example of what's wrong with the moderation on this site. Someone asserts themselves a little in pure defense, uses a report button twice--and in a purely functionality-oriented way which was intended to either avoid more drama or help out the mods/forum, wasn't even me complaining about them--and then gets accused of this type of crap. Yes, I consider that being too heavy-handed in the sense that it exaggerates my actions, attributes negative motives that aren't there, and fails to take into account that I am not going around starting crap with people. Plus doesn't give people a little room to assert themselves, work through the conflict (some is normal in interaction) and resolve it/move on.

EDIT: Well, at least not while medicated, but the times I did cause problems were caused by loss of control over temper due to chemical imbalance / mania, which I withdrew from conflict once I realized that and explained about later on the feeling thread in the past. These days it's rare I forget meds though and all of that was before I returned.

Just because someone acts like a jackass does not make them a dupe. People can be a jackass in a unique way that does not require them to be a copy of some other jackass.

I don't have an issue with you as an individual and in fact I think you have a lot of value to contribute but I'm just tired of the current paradigm of handling conflict on this forum and think it's done enough damage. I felt compelled to intervene. I don't know the specifics of what is going on here, or much of what has happened in the past with other members, but it seems obvious to me that there has been quite a lot of stuff going on beyond the scenes which lead to calls to moderators to intervene (again, I don't know who was asking mods to do what but I doubt they just discipline someone who everyone seems to be cool with for the hell of it... it seems evident to me that someone was seeking their help).

There must be a better way that does not require escalation to some kind of heavy-handed intervention.

I'm just irritated that people are no longer capable of having spirited discussions without running to the teacher when they get upset.