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IxFP??

SigningBeast

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i need help.. I doubt anyone will see this but anywho.. I'm having trouble trying to figure out my helping cognitive function.
Is it okay if I call it my helper function? It's suppose to basically aid your dominating function right?
From research, I figured I am a strong introverted feeler. Fi makes a lot of sense for me, so now I'm trying to figure out my helper function and it's either Se or Ne. I know I can have both functions, I know everyone can have all of the functions, but some are more prominent than others.
I relate to Se and Ne when it comes to my helper function. So I tried to figure out my tertiary function (which it could either be Si or Ni because it's the opposite of the helper function), well trying to figure out my helper function doesn't do much justice because I can relate to both Si and Ni.
Am I a true IxFP?
Like I said, I know I shouldn't label myself and I know we use all of these functions, but some is more prominent than others. Can y'all please help me understand better?
 

Pionart

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Ni is my strongest function, and I have Fe and Ti, but I also have Te and Fi. The difference is that the Fe and Ti form a part of the same configuration with the Ni, whereas the Te and Fi are the leading functions of alternate configurations.

So look at it as an order that you process things in when in your default mode. INFP will go Fi then Ne then Si, Te, Fe, Ni, Se, and lastly Ti, whereas ISFP will go Fi then Se then Ni, Te, Fe, Si, Ne, and lastly Ti.

So once you can identify your order - for example in forum posts, or it can be anything you do - and identify it to at least the 4th function, then you'll know.
 

SigningBeast

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To me, the difference between Ne and Se is that Ne is more unrealistic approach while Se is more realistic.
I tend to have an unrealistic idea then realize that I can't make it happen so I have more of a realistic approach
 

hurl3y4456

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To differentiate Ne from Se, consider the following... Imagine yourself as a point in space (space denotes the external environment....both Ne and Se use the external environment as a catalyst to induce a reaction). Think of a series of lines projecting outward from the point and consider the directional energy in respect to each line....For case 1 (Se), the lines will connect to objects in space (unidirectional) such that there will exist translation, rotation, or both in respect to the initial point and objects within the reference plane. For case 2 (Ne), the lines will target an object within the reference plane (bidirectional) and simultaneously yield a second set of line segments projecting outward from the initial point that transcends the sensory input.
 

SigningBeast

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To differentiate Ne from Se, consider the following... Imagine yourself as a point in space (space denotes the external environment....both Ne and Se use the external environment as a catalyst to induce a reaction). Think of a series of lines projecting outward from the point and consider the directional energy in respect to each line....For case 1 (Se), the lines will connect to objects in space (unidirectional) such that there will exist translation, rotation, or both in respect to the initial point and objects within the reference plane. For case 2 (Ne), the lines will target an object within the reference plane (bidirectional) and simultaneously yield a second set of line segments projecting outward from the initial point that transcends the sensory input.
So you are basically saying you either look at it as it is and take it in how it looks or you look at it and ask why?

In other sense, you either appreciate the painting (I always use art because I feel it's the easiest thing) as it is and look at how each color works versus you look at that same painting and you wonder the meaning behind it?

I guess i look at it first and just appreciate it then later then later when I think back to it that's when I really appreciate the meaning behind it, but at the moment I just enjoy it as it is.
 

hurl3y4456

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So you are basically saying you either look at it as it is and take it in how it looks or you look at it and ask why?

In other sense, you either appreciate the painting (I always use art because I feel it's the easiest thing) as it is and look at how each color works versus you look at that same painting and you wonder the meaning behind it?

I guess i look at it first and just appreciate it then later then later when I think back to it that's when I really appreciate the meaning behind it, but at the moment I just enjoy it as it is.

Yes, those who use Se tend to be very meticulous since they continuously exercise their senses " in the moment.", and are able to hone in on minute details with ease depending on the strength of the function (within stack). My Mom (Esfp) is very good at remodeling houses because she appreciates sensory input, and understands how to alter the external environment based on her subjective viewpoint. Both Se and Ne can be highly creative yet Ne delves into the theoretical domain(able to generate new theories based on patterns/relationships) whereas Se delves into the tangible domain (able to manipulate objects in space).
 

SigningBeast

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Yes, those who use Se tend to be very meticulous since they continuously exercise their senses " in the moment.", and are able to hone in on minute details with ease depending on the strength of the function (within stack). My Mom (Esfp) is very good at remodeling houses because she appreciates sensory input, and understands how to alter the external environment based on her subjective viewpoint. Both Se and Ne can be highly creative yet Ne delves into the theoretical domain(able to generate new theories based on patterns/relationships) whereas Se delves into the tangible domain (able to manipulate objects in space).
So, could I be more ISFP than INFP? I feel like I'm more ISFP, but I do generate ideas through patterns and relationships, I mean I'm pretty sure I can have that and still be more on the ISFP side. Not everything is 100%.
I just figured I am more grounded than INFP and more realistic in ideas than INFP. Nothing against them haha, they have cool thoughts, just not realistic ones
 

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So, could I be more ISFP than INFP? I feel like I'm more ISFP, but I do generate ideas through patterns and relationships, I mean I'm pretty sure I can have that and still be more on the ISFP side. Not everything is 100%.
I just figured I am more grounded than INFP and more realistic in ideas than INFP. Nothing against them haha, they have cool thoughts, just not realistic ones

Possibly, yes...One of the misconceptions is that only Ne users generate ideas...yet, clearly Se users can generate ideas attached to the realistic domain whereas for Ne users, it will be attached to the imaginary domain as you mentioned.
 

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So, could I be more ISFP than INFP? I feel like I'm more ISFP, but I do generate ideas through patterns and relationships, I mean I'm pretty sure I can have that and still be more on the ISFP side. Not everything is 100%.
I just figured I am more grounded than INFP and more realistic in ideas than INFP. Nothing against them haha, they have cool thoughts, just not realistic ones


They are 100% real dude
 

SigningBeast

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Possibly, yes...One of the misconceptions is that only Ne users generate ideas...yet, clearly Se users can generate ideas attached to the realistic domain whereas for Ne users, it will be attached to the imaginary domain as you mentioned.
That make sense.
Thanks you for helping me, it seems that I was mistyped being INFP haha
i relate to ISFP more though just because of the realistic aspect rather than the idealistic aspect. :)
 

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To me, the difference between Ne and Se is that Ne is more unrealistic approach while Se is more realistic.
I tend to have an unrealistic idea then realize that I can't make it happen so I have more of a realistic approach

If you said that you start with an unrealistic idea then realise that it's unrealistic, then by your own logic you're using Ne.

I think abstract versus concrete is a better way to phrase it, though.
 

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IDK I relate more to ISFP than INFP
if it is concrete vs abstract, then I use both. But when I read the individual functions, i relate to Se a little more than Ne and Ni a little more than Ne.
 

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I was stuck on Se and Ne too, and thought I was an INFP for a long time. What made me finally decide I was a sensor was feeling like my approach to things was much more grounded, detail oriented, and realistic. It took many years of unlearning the biases and stereotypes I had picked up from typology forums that implied, or straight out said that intuitives are superior to sensors in almost every way it means to be human. Intellectually, creatively, perceptively, emotionally, etc. I mean, who would ever want to be a sensor when this is what it's often associated with? It was about learning that just because I have a preference for sensing doesn't mean that I don't make connections between things, analyze information, or never think beyond what's right in front of me in order to find deeper meaning. But my overall approach to life is much more practical than idealistic, and grounded more in this how things really are vs. this is how things could be (or should be).
 

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I was stuck on Se and Ne too, and thought I was an INFP for a long time. What made me finally decide I was a sensor was feeling like my approach to things was much more grounded, detail oriented, and realistic. It took many years of unlearning the biases and stereotypes I had picked up from typology forums that implied, or straight out said that intuitives are superior to sensors in almost every way it means to be human. Intellectually, creatively, perceptively, emotionally, etc. I mean, who would ever want to be a sensor when this is what it's often associated with? It was about learning that just because I have a preference for sensing doesn't mean that I don't make connections between things, analyze information, or never think beyond what's right in front of me in order to find deeper meaning. But my overall approach to life is much more practical than idealistic, and grounded more in this how things really are vs. this is how things could be (or should be).

Maybe on typology forums that's the case, but out in the real world, Sensors are perceived as superior to Intuitives. You don't get praised for being an artistic dreamer unless you make it big, whereas the working world and public society in general wants people who are practical and realistic.

It could possibly be a case of majority rule (in both cases), however the Western world seems to have forsaken the Intuitive approach to the world in favour of what is more concrete, and has suffered greatly for it. Only a matter of time before society's unconscious intuition rears its head.
 

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One reason I have identified with ISFP instead of INFP is that to balance my inner world, I need to go to concrete experience. My friends and family that are more INFP go to ideas and imagination to balance.

What is the one best way you connect with the outside world? How would you describe it? What is the connection with the outside world that you need to live and cannot do without? That can help to identify your strongest extroverted function.
 

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Maybe on typology forums that's the case, but out in the real world, Sensors are perceived as superior to Intuitives. You don't get praised for being an artistic dreamer unless you make it big, whereas the working world and public society in general wants people who are practical and realistic.

It could possibly be a case of majority rule (in both cases), however the Western world seems to have forsaken the Intuitive approach to the world in favour of what is more concrete, and has suffered greatly for it. Only a matter of time before society's unconscious intuition rears its head.

I've seen this point argued before, but I think there are some intuitive types that seems particularly well suited for the real world (ENTJs) and are often highly successful, and some sensing types that seem to struggle more with traditional paths (ISFPs). In what ways do you think the world has suffered from being more concrete, and how would you define an intuitive approach to the world?
 
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Maybe on typology forums that's the case, but out in the real world, Sensors are perceived as superior to Intuitives. You don't get praised for being an artistic dreamer unless you make it big, whereas the working world and public society in general wants people who are practical and realistic.

It could possibly be a case of majority rule (in both cases), however the Western world seems to have forsaken the Intuitive approach to the world in favour of what is more concrete, and has suffered greatly for it. Only a matter of time before society's unconscious intuition rears its head.
Intuitives are quite common on personality forums so the hype storm can become deafening.

And I have definitely never received praise for my ability to completely zone out when I should be focused. To become frequently entranced by aspects of something that take me off task as I ride a thought wherever it leads. Most jobs want a laser beam, not a disco ball scattering light in all directions. Honestly, even when I’m focused some small part of me is circling a distant star or swimming in a memory. Lol
 

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I've seen this point argued before, but I think there are some intuitive types that seems particularly well suited for the real world (ENTJs) and are often highly successful, and some sensing types that seem to struggle more with traditional paths (ISFPs). In what ways do you think the world has suffered from being more concrete, and how would you define an intuitive approach to the world?
This is a very good post. The real world (fitting into human society) tends to value structured approaches, so if you are a free-spirit, you will have trouble. Being intuitive is also an advantage in leadership positions, which are also valued as success.

It's also good to note that the "real world" is a wide range of things, so people thinking about fitting into a church, a corporation, the educational system, business promotion, etc. are all going to somewhat different assumptions about what the "real world" means.

For me the real world is nature - that's the part that makes sense. All of the institutions and such created by people are artificial constructs, and they mostly leave me lost because there is a layer of being unreal that they are based on.
 

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I've seen this point argued before, but I think there are some intuitive types that seems particularly well suited for the real world (ENTJs) and are often highly successful, and some sensing types that seem to struggle more with traditional paths (ISFPs). In what ways do you think the world has suffered from being more concrete, and how would you define an intuitive approach to the world?

Yeah, you're right that ENTJs do have an easier time than a lot of other types. I would say that's because there is also a bias in favour of Thinking/Te. So many NFPs overdo their Te+Si in order to fit into the working world, which results in huge levels of stress.

Aspects of the modern world that would be the opposite, and correspond to an NF way of doing things, would be the arts e.g. the vast majority of music, as well as alternative spiritualities. So there is still some level to which NF is present, but most people end up having to change themselves to make a living. They have to settle for a less effective form biologically speaking because it is more effective societally speaking, so they end up unfulfilled. I would say that we've lost connection to the artistic and spiritual aspects of life, and everything is about expanding and consuming. It's difficult to find support in the sort of tasks that require a lot of time before they pull off real-world results, so instead people stick to what's already available and known to work, and that hinders progress. You'd think academia would be remedying this problem, but from what I've heard it suffers from the same set of problems.

I mean, part of the reason that I am passionate about this is because of my own situation. As an INFJ, I have very little option in the world which would suit my INFJ preferences. I went with a STEM discipline in university, which is common among INFJs, especially male, but it seems that the sort of job that I could get would require high levels of Te, so I either try to my make way through that, but don't live up to my potential, or I focus on typology, which does suit how my mind works, but have to spend many years making no money because I'm in it for the long haul. Basically, it's a harder life path for an INFJ, amongst other types.

Maybe I'm micharacterising the problem though. Perhaps the way society is set up is of detriment to most people, or maybe alienates people who share characteristics that aren't necessarily type related. But I do see a lack of NF representation (note: we do have a lot of NF representation in the media, because musicians and actors tend to be NFs, but that's only for the fortunate few, and society in general is largely lacking in it. Like the old adage about having little hope if you're pursuing an artistic career, the struggling artist).

So I think that type discrimination is as real as other forms of discrimination, it's just more subtle, but it definitely exists on an institutional level. I would posit that a lot of environmental destruction and other forms of destructive tendencies in the population would be somewhat curbed if we were to have proper NF representation. Even NTs have it tough in the sense that STEM careers generally are results, real-world-data focused and NTs, especially NTFS, need an artistic process of theorising for years before they pull anything off, too. I don't know how bad it is in that regard but I suspect there are problems there.

So yeah, I know I didn't do too good a job of explaining there, admittedly though I'm aware of the problem I haven't given enough thought to it to properly explain it, but I do believe that if there is utility to typology, then a lot of it will come from a recognition in society as to the value of the different kinds of processes that people employ in working at their maximum functionality, rather than certain types being made the archetype for the whole population to follow, like the STJ-ness of the working world. If a significant portion of the population are having to choose between denying their natural inclinations and poverty, then there are clearly significant problems that need addressing.

edit: also, I think that this is linked to the government, because most politicians are Te or Si dominant, and the working world has a focus on Te and Si.
 
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