ISFJ's in popular culture

[bilbotook]

I originally say Captain America as an ISFJ, but I think he's more ESFJ (6w? So/Sx)

ISTJ. Definitely more of an Fi person than a an Fe person. Also obvious Te.

 

[windoverlake]

Is nurse Hathaway from ER an ISFJ?

Very possible. Also, the lead character on The Good Wife (first season anyway) is also very ISFJ.

 

[EJCC]

ISTJ. Definitely more of an Fi person than a an Fe person. Also obvious Te.

Depends on which Captain America you're talking about. He seems very SFJ to me in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Leaning ISFJ but I could also see ESFJ.

 

[bilbotook]

Depends on which Captain America you're talking about. He seems very SFJ to me in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Leaning ISFJ but I could also see ESFJ.

When Captain America was first written, he started of as an ESTJ sort of person. But as more and more writers started writing his comics, he gradually turned into an ISTJ. And then in the movies he was a complete ISTJ. But theres no way in the world he has Fe instead of Fi. Also no way in the world he doesn't have Te.

 

[EJCC]

When Captain America was first written, he started of as an ESTJ sort of person. But as more and more writers started writing his comics, he gradually turned into an ISTJ. And then in the movies he was a complete ISTJ. But theres no way in the world he has Fe instead of Fi. Also no way in the world he doesn't have Te.

What makes you feel so strongly about Te/Fi? Why so quick to rule out SFJ?

 

[bilbotook]

What makes you feel so strongly about Te/Fi? Why so quick to rule out SFJ?

Well, first of all "so quick" is an assumption on your part. I actually put thought into what I say. As for my explanation, Captain America is a bod leader. He can command any team. Even the most torn apart of teams (such as the Avengers). His Te is just too obvious in how he is a master strategist. Throw any situation his way and within a few seconds he'll have a plan figured out and a task for everyone. And once he has that figured out, he's not afraid to order everyone around. Not that he likes being in power, but that he just wants to get things done. Where he has more Fi than Fe is where when he has something to say. He says it without reservation. And while passive-aggressiveness is a strong Fe trait, Captain America is straight forward with everything he says.

 

[EJCC]

Well, first of all "so quick" is an assumption on your part. I actually put thought into what I say. As for my explanation, Captain America is a bod leader. He can command any team. Even the most torn apart of teams (such as the Avengers). His Te is just too obvious in how he is a master strategist. Throw any situation his way and within a few seconds he'll have a plan figured out and a task for everyone. And once he has that figured out, he's not afraid to order everyone around. Not that he likes being in power, but that he just wants to get things done. Where he has more Fi than Fe is where when he has something to say. He says it without reservation. And while passive-aggressiveness is a strong Fe trait, Captain America is straight forward with everything he says.

Delegation =/= Te
Being an effective leader =/= Te
Being unafraid to stand up for what you believe in =/= Fi/Te

It can be easy to fall into the trap of "being vocal about your principles means you use Fi", but that sort of stand-by-your-principles-at-all-cost mentality is a cross-SJ trait. This, in my opinion, is the big difference between ESTJ and ESFJ values and how they are expressed:

The ESFJ's value system is defined externally. They usually have very well-formed ideas about the way things should be, and are not shy about expressing these opinions. However, they weigh their values and morals against the world around them, rather than against an internal value system. They may have a strong moral code, but it is defined by the community that they live in, rather than by any strongly felt internal values.

ESFJs who have had the benefit of being raised and surrounded by a strong value system that is ethical and centered around genuine goodness will most likely be the kindest, most generous souls who will gladly give you the shirt off of their back without a second thought. For these individuals, the selfless quality of their personality type is genuine and pure.

(link here)

In my opinion, if Captain America had been an ESTJ in the Marvel Cinematic Universe:

1) He would have had a much more difficult time dealing with his fellow Avengers -- especially Tony Stark -- when they were irritating him and irritating each other, instead of becoming a harmonizing and uniting force within the team, setting his own feelings aside to focus on the team and the greater good
2) He would have not been NEARLY as warm, open-hearted, and self sacrificing, constantly trying to protect and help his fellow citizens, as he was in Captain America: The First Avenger. His focus would have been more on abstract principles and how they can be reinforced by impersonal action -- instead of on his fellow soldiers as individuals who need to be protected. It's not that ESTJs aren't capable of that level of compassion, but it can make us feel vulnerable, and we generally want to be anything BUT vulnerable.

 

[HongDou]

Makoto Tachibana from Free! (yes I consider the anime a part of popular culture seeing how it attracts a bunch of people wanting to watch hot cartoon swimmers do cute things regardless of whether or not they watch anime)

Also known as one of my #1 anime husbands.

 

[BadOctopus]

I may be wrong, but I think Sarah Walker from Chuck is an ISFJ. She sometimes comes across as an ISTJ, because she tries to hide her emotions, but it's clear that it's just an act.

 

[Cellmold]

Makoto Tachibana from Free! (yes I consider the anime a part of popular culture seeing how it attracts a bunch of people wanting to watch hot cartoon swimmers do cute things regardless of whether or not they watch anime)

Also known as one of my #1 anime husbands.

I often do this with people's cats on their steps.

 

[bilbotook]

Delegation =/= Te
Being an effective leader =/= Te
Being unafraid to stand up for what you believe in =/= Fi/Te

It can be easy to fall into the trap of "being vocal about your principles means you use Fi", but that sort of stand-by-your-principles-at-all-cost mentality is a cross-SJ trait. This, in my opinion, is the big difference between ESTJ and ESFJ values and how they are expressed:



(link here)

In my opinion, if Captain America had been an ESTJ in the Marvel Cinematic Universe:

1) He would have had a much more difficult time dealing with his fellow Avengers -- especially Tony Stark -- when they were irritating him and irritating each other, instead of becoming a harmonizing and uniting force within the team, setting his own feelings aside to focus on the team and the greater good
2) He would have not been NEARLY as warm, open-hearted, and self sacrificing, constantly trying to protect and help his fellow citizens, as he was in Captain America: The First Avenger. His focus would have been more on abstract principles and how they can be reinforced by impersonal action -- instead of on his fellow soldiers as individuals who need to be protected. It's not that ESTJs aren't capable of that level of compassion, but it can make us feel vulnerable, and we generally want to be anything BUT vulnerable.

The quote you used perfectly illustrates why Captain America has Fi. While Fe cares more about what IS good, Fi cares more about what THEY feel is good. Fe prefers objective moral codes and Fi prefers subjective moral codes. There's a great example of Cap's Fi in The Winter Soldier. The common belief was that Project Insight was a morally great idea. While someone with Fe would have just believed this objective belief, Captain looked toward his internal beliefs and found that he didn't like the idea of Project Insight. And pretty much throughout all of the movies he's in, he ignored external morals and trusted his own heart. Also being a thinker doesn't mean Steve is incapable of high levels of compassion. Actually, I think he is very much a thinker in the sense that he doesn't let his emotions distract him. Sure emotions will strongly influence him. But they won't let him lose his mind. He knows how to keep his mind straight. In the end, I'd say Captain America is an ISTJ. He's a loyal teammate, a strong and firm leader, an excellent strategist, a really stubborn guy, and a successful task manager. He's the rock of the team.

 

[HongDou]

I often do this with people's cats on their steps.

That settles it your type is #confirmed

 

[tine5]

ISTJ. Definitely more of an Fi person than a an Fe person. Also obvious Te.

Why would you say that is?

 

[Such Irony]

Norman Bates as portrayed in Bates Motel

Also Mr. Bates in Downton Abbey, maybe.

Rory Gilmore from the Gilmore Girls.

 

[bilbotook]

Why would you say that is?

It's all above.

 

[bilbotook]

I've finally found an ISFJ villain. Sandman from Spider-Man. In my opinion, he's one of the most well written super villains of all time.

 

[draon9]

Belle from beauty and the beast
Piccolo from dbz
Chun li from street fighter

 

[raissaroars]

Captain America, from Avengers.
Tina Belcher, from Bob's Burgers.
Dr. John Watson, from BBC Sherlock.

 

[wolfnara]

Dr John Watson - BBC Sherlock
Samwise Gamgee - LOTR
Marge Simpson
Dr Wilson - House m.d
Sansa Stark - GoT
The Narrator - Fight Club

 

[DreamBeliever]

Brandon Foster- The Fosters (ABC Family)