EcK
The Memes Justify the End
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So, I must feel like sharing today I guess.
There's a thread called 'progress=extinction?'. It's a theme we all know, thought, read and heard about.
So ONEWITHSOUL said the usual stuff, you know, that thing we all thought, read and heard about. I'll quote
So here's my usual short litte-patience-guy answer, yes, the one I posted.
And here's the complementary explanation, a close up on the things implied on and by my post in case you're interested.
Creation.. destruction.
It's the way of universe, starting from the simple and going toward the complex, leading to the emergence of new structures.
Stars were a step in this process, biology another, human accumulation of cultural and technological knowledge, in other words Civilisation, yet another.
And just as the Uni\Multi-verse's expansion accelerates, so does our's. Only the universe conveniently creates it's own Space-Time.
Human on the other hand are still limited by planet Earth: We grow faster than our capacity to expand ourselves and our environnement. New buildings and cities used to be enough of an adaptation, not anymore.
We are capable of acting on our environnement with an ever growing precision to deploy more and more energy. And our societies are growingly complex.
Yet we're still the same biologicaly frail creatures, we still prefer to see 'our own' win rather than 'the others'. Because we were designed for limited spaces, with limited ressources. Because each new structure is defined by what came before. Helium is defined by hydrogen's makeup, life must depend on star and planet-born light and matter, human culture is born in the flesh and all the biological imperatives it implies.
So among other things, the sort of competition that used to emerge between tribes fighting for a hunting ground soon applied to entire civilisations.
But this very idea of competition is one of the keys to our progress.
The very idea of human progress is the same we find in stars, hydrogen must be destroyed for helium to exist,
plants must die for animals to live...
Ideas, nations, people .. must die for new ideas, new nations and new people to live.
The real issue is the growing lack of balance between our capacity for destruction and our physical frailty.
While it also means we have a growing capacity for creation and isn't a problem in itself we now have the means to
apply such forces than we could destroy our environnement in a few decades (pollution etc) or in an instant (Da Bomb).
So, when there's excess concentration of energy, what does the universe do?
It expands since the big bang. And when matter is locally concentrated, it creates new matter by nuclear fusion.
We need to do the same, we need to invent additional ways for the cultural pressure we generate to be gentled. We need to come up with new 'steps' in the complexity of the universe.
We need space travel, to expand through the universe. We need IAs, virtual realities, an interplanetary internet, gravity and quantum computers...
We need to focus our capacity to create and share information in an environnement expanding too fast for strong competition to emerge.
As I said before, the universe keep it's energy in check by creating complex structures and expanding itself.
In the last decades Space Travel and the Internet have proven we also have the capacity to create new grounds for our growing cultural and human mass to expand, that we can also create a force counteracting overaccumulation of energy, because energy is potential, and potentials must have space and capacity to express, to come into existence.
The only other possibility is collapse. Just as massive stars collapse into black holes when deprived of fusion, just as the universe'd collapse into a singularity if it didn't expand, just as humanity will obliterate itself if it ever stops looking forward, if it ever stops progressing.
So no, progress isn't equal to extinction... as long as we never stop.
Just as a plane isn't dangerous, as long as it doesn't impact the ground.
With great speed, comes great mass. With great mass, comes great energy.
E=mc²
There's a thread called 'progress=extinction?'. It's a theme we all know, thought, read and heard about.
So ONEWITHSOUL said the usual stuff, you know, that thing we all thought, read and heard about. I'll quote
So here's my usual short litte-patience-guy answer, yes, the one I posted.
And here's the complementary explanation, a close up on the things implied on and by my post in case you're interested.
Creation.. destruction.
It's the way of universe, starting from the simple and going toward the complex, leading to the emergence of new structures.
Stars were a step in this process, biology another, human accumulation of cultural and technological knowledge, in other words Civilisation, yet another.
And just as the Uni\Multi-verse's expansion accelerates, so does our's. Only the universe conveniently creates it's own Space-Time.
Human on the other hand are still limited by planet Earth: We grow faster than our capacity to expand ourselves and our environnement. New buildings and cities used to be enough of an adaptation, not anymore.
We are capable of acting on our environnement with an ever growing precision to deploy more and more energy. And our societies are growingly complex.
Yet we're still the same biologicaly frail creatures, we still prefer to see 'our own' win rather than 'the others'. Because we were designed for limited spaces, with limited ressources. Because each new structure is defined by what came before. Helium is defined by hydrogen's makeup, life must depend on star and planet-born light and matter, human culture is born in the flesh and all the biological imperatives it implies.
So among other things, the sort of competition that used to emerge between tribes fighting for a hunting ground soon applied to entire civilisations.
But this very idea of competition is one of the keys to our progress.
The very idea of human progress is the same we find in stars, hydrogen must be destroyed for helium to exist,
plants must die for animals to live...
Ideas, nations, people .. must die for new ideas, new nations and new people to live.
The real issue is the growing lack of balance between our capacity for destruction and our physical frailty.
While it also means we have a growing capacity for creation and isn't a problem in itself we now have the means to
apply such forces than we could destroy our environnement in a few decades (pollution etc) or in an instant (Da Bomb).
So, when there's excess concentration of energy, what does the universe do?
It expands since the big bang. And when matter is locally concentrated, it creates new matter by nuclear fusion.
We need to do the same, we need to invent additional ways for the cultural pressure we generate to be gentled. We need to come up with new 'steps' in the complexity of the universe.
We need space travel, to expand through the universe. We need IAs, virtual realities, an interplanetary internet, gravity and quantum computers...
We need to focus our capacity to create and share information in an environnement expanding too fast for strong competition to emerge.
As I said before, the universe keep it's energy in check by creating complex structures and expanding itself.
In the last decades Space Travel and the Internet have proven we also have the capacity to create new grounds for our growing cultural and human mass to expand, that we can also create a force counteracting overaccumulation of energy, because energy is potential, and potentials must have space and capacity to express, to come into existence.
The only other possibility is collapse. Just as massive stars collapse into black holes when deprived of fusion, just as the universe'd collapse into a singularity if it didn't expand, just as humanity will obliterate itself if it ever stops looking forward, if it ever stops progressing.
So no, progress isn't equal to extinction... as long as we never stop.
Just as a plane isn't dangerous, as long as it doesn't impact the ground.
With great speed, comes great mass. With great mass, comes great energy.
E=mc²
