AphroditeGoneAwry
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"Secondary Psychopathy" sounds like something that a psychopathic APA doctor who enjoys breaking the Nuremberg Code and micromanaging society would come up with to explain people who don't do or believe everything he says...
After the A.P.A. actually altered its bylaws to allow psychologists to assist the government in the torture of people - I stopped giving them much of any credibility whatsoever.
Also, they don't consider "Sadistic Personality Disorder" (enjoying inflicting pain and controlling people) a disorder, but they consider any resistance to any authority or control "antisocial."
They didn't just participate, they altered their bylaws for that explicit purpose. Dr. Paul McHugh, former dean of Psychiatry at John Hopkins, has taken issue with the credibility of a lot of disorders the APA has been putting out, suggesting they're straying into the territory of social engineering rather than helping sick people, in so many words. I believe him to some extent on that account - especially given their apparent belief that sadistic behavior is actually not a disorder.
The APA has assisted in numerous government experiments and projects which violated the Nuremberg code over the past decades - I trust them about as much as I trust the USSR's psychological establishment.
Ahhh... from what I understand they just wanted to make histrionic and narcissism sub categories of bpd, because narcissistic rage is similar to bpd rage and histrionics need a lot of attention and approval though they don't have the intense fear of abandonment. While some "disorders" are probably exaggerated because they are more result of unnatural lifestyle (lack of exercise, artificial light, too much sitting, traffic, isolation and stress of modern life) the fact remains that these people need help, society is just starting to change its attitude as to why. Like Ritalin prescription. While some children really need it, many who have been given it probably just would do better on a farm than in public schools, or just need their sugar taken away and more exercise and less tv. There is definitely such a thing as placing too much trust in the establishment or authority figures, but alas when people make blanket statements like you are making, more likely it results in homeless schizophrenics who won't take their medication. The APA serves a purpose, they just need to be questioned, and they have been and they do change considerably. Homosexuality used to be considered a disorder, and now people can live relatively normal lives without the extensive institutionalization many endured sixty years ago, now only severe cases are kept in hospitals longer than a few days to a few weeks.
Ahhh... from what I understand they just wanted to make histrionic and narcissism sub categories of bpd, because narcissistic rage is similar to bpd rage and histrionics need a lot of attention and approval though they don't have the intense fear of abandonment. While some "disorders" are probably exaggerated because they are more result of unnatural lifestyle (lack of exercise, artificial light, too much sitting, traffic, isolation and stress of modern life) the fact remains that these people need help, society is just starting to change its attitude as to why. Like Ritalin prescription. While some children really need it, many who have been given it probably just would do better on a farm than in public schools, or just need their sugar taken away and more exercise and less tv. There is definitely such a thing as placing too much trust in the establishment or authority figures, but alas when people make blanket statements like you are making, more likely it results in homeless schizophrenics who won't take their medication. The APA serves a purpose, they just need to be questioned, and they have been and they do change considerably. Homosexuality used to be considered a disorder, and now people can live relatively normal lives without the extensive institutionalization many endured sixty years ago, now only severe cases are kept in hospitals longer than a few days to a few weeks.
Here's "chubbers" result from the psychopath test... notice it doesn't call him a scumbag for being a psychopath, but praises him for it - that about embodies everything wrong with contemporary Psych academia.
Note this test is supposedly developed by a psychology professor at Oxford.
If that makes me angry, I'm borderline. If I refuse to recognize the authority of psychopaths, I've got antisocial tendencies. If I think I'm a better person than them because I don't like torturing animals or people, I'm a narcissist.
Everything in the DSM revolves around proper employment/citizenship and little around interpersonal relationships - they're social engineers - not people interested in human nature.
How did people get lower scores than me? I think they're lying to the test or themselves. I answered honestly but I don't know what I said
Is an Oxford professor supposed to tell random strangers on the internet they're scum bags?
Marmotini said:Yes, some people, especially insecure beta males, have an unhealthy admiration of psychopaths, because they think they're strong or powerful. But as I already mentioned.
Why not?
Well, you're not male, so I'll just settle on the notion that you don't understand male lived experience.
Because it's not professional or even handed, and yes the people I see predominantly admiring psychopaths are insecure beta males.
I see, so the fact that a person doesn't feel any sympathy for suffering animals is worthy of fair praise? It's not superficially charming enough to say: "you're sick in the head."
Although, you brought up Oprah earlier, and 95% of those shows are run by psychopaths who exploit and denigrate weak and powerless people for profit while maintaining their nice superficial charm.
I don't know enough about Oprah to say one way or the other.
They didn't just participate, they altered their bylaws for that explicit purpose. Dr. Paul McHugh, former dean of Psychiatry at John Hopkins, has taken issue with the credibility of a lot of disorders the APA has been putting out, suggesting they're straying into the territory of social engineering rather than helping sick people, in so many words. I believe him to some extent on that account - especially given their apparent belief that sadistic behavior is actually not a disorder.
The APA has assisted in numerous government experiments and projects which violated the Nuremberg code over the past decades - I trust them about as much as I trust the USSR's psychological establishment.
Did you read Chubber's spoiler: this is the result he got by choosing "strongly agree" for every question, not necessarily what he would choose himself.Here's "chubbers" result from the psychopath test... notice it doesn't call him a scumbag for being a psychopath, but praises him for it - that about embodies everything wrong with contemporary Psych academia.
Note this test is supposedly developed by a psychology professor at Oxford.
Did you read Chubber's spoiler: this is the result he got by choosing "strongly agree" for every question, not necessarily what he would choose himself.
After reading your exchange with Marmotini it's very very apparent that you have serious problems with any form of authority.
So, just because one person takes issue it's suddenly a valid reason to disregard an entire organization? That's not logical. Let's say for example if you were to go to a psychatrist and were diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Would you suddenly not trust it or regard it simply because the APA is associated with determining what metrics are required to meet diagnostic criteria? The fact that the APA has changed their bylaws has no bearing on the utility or purpose of it.
I would not trust it because he has no empirical basis to make that assertion as there is not physical or biological test for the "disorder."
Wow. Guess the entire field of psychology is invalid then! We should invalidate sociology while were at it too! You very very clearly do not understand how the social sciences work.
This is what we have in this era. Of course it's working towards biological/physical tests for the disorders. There actually have been many links and studies that have been preformed on it, but that area is in it's infancy. Until then, this is what we have and it IS useful for many many people.
The problem with the lack of empiricism in psychology is that it is all structured around the ideal form of behavior that the upper class expects of subordinates which is in no way an example of actual or likely biological disorder.