If I were a teenager at Hogwarts I would want Luna to be my girlfriend.
Luna? Or Evanna Lynch playing Luna?
I'll take Evanna Lynch.
If I were a teenager at Hogwarts I would want Luna to be my girlfriend.
Hmmm...ok. But isn't in more N to research many things with the intention of making your creation the best it can be? And having an INTEREST in spending that long, trapped away in your head, creating something to do with fantasy?
In my experience of ISFPs, there is no way they could put that much thought and research into such an incredibly complex world. My ISFP friend has this method of deciding on an idea to make something with.
Begin
Generate idea
End
They're very creative but not to cautious about it. They do not like organising things and doing additional research into complex topics such as symbolism and allegory at the same time as focusing on the work.
This is the best argument for Ti that I’ve seen, actually, but upon reflection wouldn’t it be far more logical to realize that there is no good reason to dump someone just because you need to be away for a while, or to think that Ginny can’t hold her own? I think this sounds like an emotional WAH Fi reaction and overdoing it out of both being pissed off about needing to leave and not wanting to hurt Ginny. And to an Ne dom/aux perhaps this sounds counterintuitive, because our immediate reaction is to look for other possibilities, but if Harry is Se aux then his reaction may have been to just get moving already.Aleksei said:He's also able to go against his own desires when he realizes it's logically necessary, as evidenced by him dumping Ginny to go save the world.
yeahhhhSounds like your ISFP friend is just particularly stupid.
Bubbleboy said:She connects the dots because she's the only student who actually appears to be doing any studying in the school.
First thing: overtly emotional =/= F. Not overtly emotional =/= T. Ts can be emotional too (like my INTP brother), and Fs can be quite emotionally reserved (like an INFJ friend of mine). Fs can also be calm in a crisis. I am. The T and F designations are about how they make decisions, both quick little ones and long-term big ones.
We really have got to stop boxing people out of certain types because they don’t fit our ideas of what every person in that type is or should be like. I’ve tried here to look mostly at functions and day-to-day operation of the characters.
Harry – ISFP
- Harry is the ethical backbone of the series, and his values were expressed primarily through his actions. I initially questioned Ti as well but I think that to Ns, sometimes we can misread S sensibility/groundedness as T logic.
This is the best argument for Ti that I’ve seen, actually, but upon reflection wouldn’t it be far more logical to realize that there is no good reason to dump someone just because you need to be away for a while, or to think that Ginny can’t hold her own? I think this sounds like an emotional WAH Fi reaction and overdoing it out of both being pissed off about needing to leave and not wanting to hurt Ginny. And to an Ne dom/aux perhaps this sounds counterintuitive, because our immediate reaction is to look for other possibilities, but if Harry is Se aux then his reaction may have been to just get moving already.
yeahhhh
Ron – ESFP
- Makes sense to me. Also makes him a very natural counterpart to Harry.
Hermione – ISTJ
- She has cute Fi too. Hence the little SPEW incident. As for government infiltration, SJs can break rules too! Especially because we come to see more and more that the government is not secure and is increasingly corrupt. Hermione is definitely a rule-follower but she is also very intelligent, and obviously cares a lot about Harry. Her duty changes from being a good student and good citizen of the wizarding world to being a protector of Harry and a guardian of the “good†side – the way things were and ought to be. Her roles change, but her fundamental behavioral tendencies remain the same, and those are quite ISTJ. And it also makes her a good balance to Harry and Ron.
, QFT.
I think a lot of functions can be used to connect the dots. We all do have and use all of those functions, after all. Hermione just happened to actually be learning things that were pertinent, instead of slacking off and doing more fun things Harry and Ron – which is typical P. Given, of course, that Harry learns a lot more practical information via doing – via SP - that Hermione never will get from books.
Neville – ISFP
Snape and Voldy – INTJ
- Incidentally, someone suggested ENFP for Voldemort and I cracked up. An ENFP would last as Voldemort for about 5 seconds. We’re really just not cool enough.
McGonagall – ESTJ
Molly and Umbridge – ESFJ (they cover the full awesome – horrendous ESFJ spectrum)
Ginny and Fleur – ENFJ (similar spectrum, from awesome – hella annoying)
Lupin and Luna – INFP
James – ESTP
Sirius – ENTP
Disagreements:
1) McGonagall doesn't really seem too extroverted at all. I think she's ISTJ. ESTJ is a very good guess though.
2) Voldemort seems to have actually emerged as an extrovert from his 14-year hiatus -- he really liked stretching his Te muscles after coming back. I think he just got sick and tired of reflection after being a ghost for over a decade...
3) In what universe could Umbridge possibly be considered an Fe user? She was Si as fuck and didn't like making waves (she was an 8w9), but she really wasn't a very charismatic leader. An evil Fe user would be more like... Goebbels.
4) I don't see Ginny being very Fe at all either. I think Ginny and Fleur are ENFPs.
5) Lupin was probably just a very nice INTJ, or possibly ISFP. He seemed Ni rather than Ne.
6) ENFPs can't be magnificent bastards? Really?
Dumbledore said:Tryouts for the House Quidditch teams will take place on the -
Umbridge said:Hem-hem... thank you, Headmaster, for those kind words of welcome [...] The Ministry of Magic has always considered the education of young witches and wizards to be of a vital importance. Although each headmaster has brought something new to this... historic school, progress for the sake of progress must be discouraged. Let us preserve what must be preserved, perfect what can be perfected, and prune practices that ought to be.... prohibited!"
Dumbledore said:Thank you, Professor Umbridge. That really was most illuminating.
HP wiki said:Lily was known for being an extremely kind and talented witch. She was an excellent student, becoming Head Girl in her final year at Hogwarts. She also was an "all-time" favourite of Professor Horace Slughorn, who noted that she was witty and charming.[4] She had a habit of seeing the best in others, even when they could not see it themselves, and often stood up for those others criticised or bullied, such as her best friend, Severus Snape.
However, when in a temper, Lily had a sharp tongue, and would not hesitate to lash out viciously at those who had angered her, very much like her future daughter-in-law, Ginny. This is seen when she threw a fit at James when he bullied Snape, and giving Snape a cold, indifferent shoulder when he begged for her forgiveness. She was also someone who stood by her principles, as seen when she ended her friendship with Snape when she could no longer tolerate his increasing involvement in the Dark Arts, and coldly rejected all his apologies and cut short his attempts to explain. This left Snape with nowhere to turn for friendship, except the Death-Eaters-to-be in Slytherin House, but he never stopped loving her.
She and her husband were brave and self-sacrificing, defying Voldemort three times as members of the Order of the Phoenix, and dying to protect their son.
HP wiki said:Remus was very intelligent, calm, tolerant, gentle, and good-natured. Despite having suffered a great deal of prejudice in his life due to his lycanthropy, he managed to retain an ability to see the good in almost everybody and was extremely forgiving. He also had an excellent sense of humour and, when he was a student at school, was one of the Marauders. However, unlike his friends, he never partook in bullying, being personally against such behaviour, and hence could be described as the most mature one of the group. He even became a prefect in his fifth year. Also, unlike his friends, he was able to, or at least would try to maintain civil conversation with those he did not get along well with, a notable example being Snape.
Disagreements:
1) McGonagall doesn't really seem too extroverted at all. I think she's ISTJ. ESTJ is a very good guess though.
3) In what universe could Umbridge possibly be considered an Fe user? She was Si as fuck and didn't like making waves (she was an 8w9), but she really wasn't a very charismatic leader. An evil Fe user would be more like... Goebbels.
4) I don't see Ginny being very Fe at all either. I think Ginny and Fleur are ENFPs.
6) ENFPs can't be magnificent bastards? Really?
6. mhmm. Mello![]()
I don't know if it makes any sense, but I always thought about Remus as an ISFJ. I have to re-read the passages to look for arguments, but this was always my thought/feeling about him. Why see most people him as a N?
Remus: "There is no doubt at all in my mind that his death would be proclaimed as widely as possible by the Death Eaters if it had happened, because it would strike a deadly blow at the morale of those resisting the new regime. 'The Boy Who Lived' remains a symbol of everything for which we are fighting: the triumph of good, the power of innocence, the need to keep resisting."
Lee Jordan: "And what would you say to Harry if you knew he was listening, Romulus?"
Remus: "I'd tell him we're all with him in spirit. And I'd tell him to follow his instincts, which are good and nearly always right."
He has an Ni penchant for solving problems in mysterious ways no one else could figure out. For example, in the third book he saw the Marauder's map and just from that he extrapolated that Sirius was innocent and Peter was alive and guilty. That, and his beliefs are quite personal -- certainly Fi rather than Fe. He's the nicest INTJ ever.I don't know if it makes any sense, but I always thought about Remus as an ISFJ. I have to re-read the passages to look for arguments, but this was always my thought/feeling about him. Why see most people him as a N?
He has an Ni penchant for solving problems in mysterious ways no one else could figure out. For example, in the third book he saw the Marauder's map and just from that he extrapolated that Sirius was innocent and Peter was alive and guilty. That, and his beliefs are quite personal -- certainly Fi rather than Fe. He's the nicest INTJ ever.
I bumped the HP thread on the Enneagram forum earlier and thought I'd add some of my MBTI guesses here:
Harry: ISFP. Definition of Fi/Se.
Ron: ESFP. Pretty obvious.
Hermione: ISTJ.
Dumbledore: He seems almost stereotypically INFJ in most of the books, but I don't know if most INFJs would have masterminded the plan with Harry the way he did.
Lupin: INFP. INFJ is the only other viable option and he's way more Fi than Ni.
Sirius: ENFP. I think he's usually typed as an ENTP, which I used to agree with, but I think he's a little too mercurial for that.
Umbridge: Caricature of an ESTJ.
Snape: He seems like a caricature of an INTJ, although I think most INTJs would consider themselves too practical to get so completely caught up in unrequited love. Then again, I don't know how realistic the Snape/Lily scenario is PERIOD (not that I necessarily dislike it, just that it's a doubtful "real world" scenario and thus sort of untypeable)
Not sure about the Malfoys. And how are people even typing Bellatrix? She doesn't exhibit any personality traits other than being completely servile and infatuated with Voldemort. Some of the Weasleys who aren't Ron seem to correspond to some MBTI archetypes, like Fred/George as ENTPs and Molly as a ESFJ.
I think it's interesting how the main trio are all sensors but the main supporting cast seems to be pretty much all Ns.
What do you guys think about Tonks and Luna?
Agreed. Interesting they are all atypical for gender on T/F.Harry: ISFP. Definition of Fi/Se.
Ron: ESFP. Pretty obvious.
Hermione: ISTJ.
Agreed. I'd say INTJ. Voldemort seems more INFJ, since he's on a huge (im)moral crusade, and his planning shows little Te.Dumbledore: He seems almost stereotypically INFJ in most of the books, but I don't know if most INFJs would have masterminded the plan with Harry the way he did.
I agree on Lupin, but see Sirius as more ESTP, and Umbridge ESFJ. F types can be evil, too.Lupin: INFP. INFJ is the only other viable option and he's way more Fi than Ni.
Sirius: ENFP. I think he's usually typed as an ENTP, which I used to agree with, but I think he's a little too mercurial for that.
Umbridge: Caricature of an ESTJ.
My favorite. Not so much a caricature, but an atypical INTJ, perhaps even "unhealthy", whatever that means. I can see the connection with Lily. His attachment may have been frozen by the whole Death Eater experience leading to her death. Had none of that happened, he might have moved on more readily.Snape: He seems like a caricature of an INTJ, although I think most INTJs would consider themselves too practical to get so completely caught up in unrequited love. Then again, I don't know how realistic the Snape/Lily scenario is PERIOD (not that I necessarily dislike it, just that it's a doubtful "real world" scenario and thus sort of untypeable)
Malfoys seem E/ISTJ. Bellatrix is ESFP - instinct, sensation seeking, driven by her own twisted Fi values (F's can be evil).Not sure about the Malfoys. And how are people even typing Bellatrix? She doesn't exhibit any personality traits other than being completely servile and infatuated with Voldemort.
Agreed. I'd say INTJ. Voldemort seems more INFJ, since he's on a huge (im)moral crusade, and his planning shows little Te.
I agree on Lupin, but see Sirius as more ESTP, and Umbridge ESFJ. F types can be evil, too.
Malfoys seem E/ISTJ. Bellatrix is ESFP - instinct, sensation seeking, driven by her own twisted Fi values (F's can be evil).
Voldemort: Anyone that's gotten banned and had a long tribute thread
But yeah, Professor Dumbledore is an INTP (maybe even ENTP), and Snape is INTP as well (final answer). Hermione, I've decided is an INTJ (she's much more a knowledge seeker than a security seeker, not to mention she's quite abstract).