freedom and framework

[Zangetshumody]

What is evolution:
Evolution is the process through which life overcomes constraint, and transcends these constraints in someway. This process can be broken into useful constituent parts, firstly somehow information is parsed, in natural selection, its genes which do the acting and playing, and jostling about in relation to the information reiceved through the mechanism of natural selection. Natural selection is the field of perception, and genes make up a basic kindof of consiousness (anything that grows in relation to information I would argue is consciouss).

We have a greater perceptual field than what natural selection offered genes, this is our own consciousness, which has allowed us to concieve of our causes and gain better access to this information to generate growth, which before would just act on our genes. So now information gets filtiered through a new organ called the self-aware brain, that is our beautiful advancement in relation to evolution, the system has entered a new realm, a higher realm of functioning;- consciousness (from genes to now) has become more discerning and greatly more aware (by inverting awareness, ie becoming self aware). We truely have the potencial to be free, because we are freedom incarnate. Freedom is the space we are given to create and invent, it comes moments after causes are understood, or internalised, so they can be transcended. Before this freedom was just seemingly random genetic viariation tested against external forces (natural selection), now freedom is more consciouss.

There is no way to determine exactly what form transcedence will manifest, and how viable it will be (although we must commit to taking efforts to consciously screen for viability (this is perhaps what generates our tendency to find rationality apealing), but we must make the form our transcendance takes, beautiful (we naturally do this already however). Beauty or the asthetic sensbility is in a way the only real internal constrant the system is subject to, it is the internal framework. Beauty is comprised of a bit of each of these elements: viability, anything that aids success;- this has included in the past: greater faculties with which to discern reality (ie. Each of the senses, and judging functions), consciousness comprises of what the Jungians have already delineated, Percieving and judging functions*, each introverted and extroverted; introverted intuition, extroverted intuition, Isensing, Esensing, Efeeling, Ifeeling, Ithinking, Ethinking. Each function has a shadow, everything has a shadow, except for freedom perhaps, because the shadow of freedom is that it can only negate itself, so we must be very consciouss that when we create we are truely in a free space. When we act in a space we have not assessed properly (which often happens when we act without being consciouss of the shadow function), we do not act freely, or create something truely beautful, unless the constraints are part of a structure that enables yet more beauty, or the ramifications are possible to live with, this is the organic concept of viability.

*As you can see the consciouss realm has inside of it 'everything'. We have internalised what is encompassed in the gene & natural selection set up;- genes judge, natural selection percieves, or perhaps its the otherway round, its hard to tell in such a rudementary consciouss set up. But this is the invention of conscioussness, to model out these truths internally, life is becoming more complex and sophisticated by internalising its metaphysical motive (which is a mixture of information that dances in the system, some beautifully complex dance) so it can still grow to a higher form of beauty. This can be substanciated because we 'feel' more free, or our motion is more beautiful, to us at least. The one thing I cannot account for, is this motive that we all have to transcend and as I put it become more free, to create and invent. Its really a marvelous thing, we are a microcosim of the system, we are made in the image of gaia, consciousness is the process of evolution itself, it is evolution in real time.

 

[murkrow]

consciousness:
What do you mean by "anything that grows in relation to information"? Most specifically grow is what I'm unclear on. Does growth mean development or expansion?

I see consciousness as nearly identical to awareness, or maybe more clearly as the aggregate of awarenesses.

We seem to agree that everything is cause and effect bound, so that consciousness as we understand it is a relationship of one thing to another and therefore an object in a vacuum would have no consciousness.

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we have a greater perceptual field than what natural selection offered genes. (which I assume is equivalent to "we have a greater perceptual field than genes" that's how I'm going to treat it anyway)

this perceptual field is our consciousness?
I agree to a certain extent but I think there's much which humans perceive that doesn't enter into the consciousness. This seems proven by the fact that our bodies operate in ways we aren't conscious of.

I think what you're saying is that the difference between our perceptual field and the perceptual field of genes is represented in our consciousness.

like, we think and genes don't, this is because we've got a greater perceptual field.

consciousness here could be called mindedness I think.

Because of how I've defined consciousness (aggregate of awarenesses), I'm unwilling to accept it as a new or higher realm of functioning.

Mindedness though is almost certainly new as we move from genes to animals.

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transcendence
"Freedom is the space we are given to create and invent, it comes moments after causes are understood, or internalised, so they can be transcended."
Are you referring to our minds here as the space for our free actions?

and since we're minded beings that makes us freedom incarnate? that's interesting.

I'm a little confused by the internalizing of causes. Are you referring to our ability to create rational/scientific laws and apply them in order to create mind realities which are applicable to (or understandable by those who experience) physical realities?



Posting this here, I'd like to talk about the beauty stuff after we're on the same page.

 

[Zangetshumody]

yes consciousness is awareness, but sometimes there are nebulous strains of the awareness, feeling has no rationality often, but its an older form of intelligence (intelligence is a rationale i believe), we are conscious of feeling, but we don't fully understand our feelings, this is not full awareness in a full sense of the word as I perceive its conceived, maybe im making a definitional flaw though..

I do not agree the will of evolution is cause and effect bound, thats the scientific perspective. Life overcomes constraint by becoming aware of it first, so it can create a greater discerning faculty that allows us to see a higher level of beauty. Our perception of beauty impels or generates the search and is also the method of the search for higher beauty. If perception grows it is reasonable to expect the structure of the truth to alter. That is how we have freedom, its not our decisions that are free, its the growth of our perception that is free; so as the boundaries of perception increase, so does our reality. Reality conforms to perception, this is what quantum physics tells us even. Perception is what is real, wow, i guess I totally refute materialism. Im defining the real rules that conscious realm plays by, these are the laws that govern perception itself ! wow thanks for your question, this has helped me refine my own thinking!