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Fi and Ti

Eric B

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Here's some more ways of expressing these functional distinctions I've just thought of.

ego's Ti self-evaluation: Am I living up to my own sense of technical worth? Am I producing an environment of internally standardized efficiency? (convenience; everything makes sense, not controlled by anything that doesn't make sense).

Hence, a pragmatic (NT[P] or S[T]P) approach to decision making

The sense of humane worth is generally ceded to the outside environment. The goal is to be logically efficient to one's self, and accepted by others. Often these conflict, causing much stress as the immature functional need goes unmet.

Shadow degradation:

Ti-Fi When things don't make sense, ego is offended. If others do not acknowledge or accept position, then a strong internal sense of humane worthlessness develops. Merging with the object from a humane perspective normally protects you from this internal sense, but if the object is too much against the ego, then you are exposed to these feelings you try to keep out of consciousness.

This would be balanced by ceding some of the technical judgment to others, and keeping some of the humane judgment to one's self, but these are normally rejected perspectives. Then, you could both deal with things not always making sense, and not depend on others' acceptance when at odds.

ego's Fi self-evaluation: Am I living up to my own sense of humane worth? Am I reflecting to others the values I believe are universal?

Hence, a responsive (F+P informative;motive focused) approach.

Technical evaluations are ceded to the external environment. The goal is to be ethically congruent to one's own self, and logically efficient to others. The person then works to serve others in some way. (Thus, the typical Supine--IxFP and Sanguine--ExFP behaviors, which might sound Fe-ish, but are really a combination of Fi and Te. Here, INTP/Naama, is where what you've been saying about function-attitude 'simulation' is true).
This can conflict, if the internal sense of personal need is not what the group wants. Thus, even though the person's ethical standard is internal, he will still often be very sensitive and easily hurt by others' disapproval. (The tertiary or inferior Fi of TJ's, is where it more likely puts on a tough stubborn exterior that often resists others in favor of one's own values).

Shadow degradation (FP's can state whether they can testify to this):

Fi-Ti When life isn't congruent with values, ego is offended. If others do not acknowledge or work towards making necessary changes, then a strong internal sense of depersonalization occurs.
Merging with the object from a technical perspective normally protects you from this internal sense, but if the object is too much against the ego, then you are exposed to these feelings you try to keep out of consciousness.

This would be balanced by ceding some of the humane evaluation to the group, and then internalizing some of the technical standards so that you both understand the logic of why people want what they do, and do not overextend yourself too much.
 
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