Changing its existing meaning, because we don't see any real reason why, for example, the 8 is an aggressive, cold-hearted bastard while the 4 is a wimpy crybaby -- why not have the 4 be the evil bastard while the 8 is the wimp?
The Eight is aggressive because they want independence, and many people throughout their life will attempt to impose their will on the Eight, causing the Eight to react against said wills. The Eight is not cold-hearted; this is a misconception. Rather, the Eight chooses to hide his or her feelings in order to - what the Eight deems - survive. An Eight's being a bastard is merely subjective. It carries no true descriptive use. The Four is neither wimpy nor a crybaby. Indeed, they've often been described as an Eight turned inside out. While the Eight is hardened externally, internally, they are soft to the core. The Four reveals all their emotions to the world, but inside, they are truly hard people who can cope with a lot.
Since the Enneagram was created by man, anyway, I don't see why it shouldn't be distorted by man.
Good point. But there's no point distorting something which doesn't need distorting.
The Keirsey INTJ is exactly me. Keirsey is describing the 8w7 INTJ rather than the classic 5w INTJs.
Absolutely. I know little of Myers-Briggs' INTJ, but they are certainly quite different to the INTJ of Keirsey's model.
Technically, the most fitting representative of the 8/7 among NTs is the ENTJ. The INTJs are next to that. This puts them pretty high in general since Fs are not Eights very often, anyway. The STs are the only competition, really.
I've a question: just how different are the ESTJs of MBTT to those of Keirsey. From Keirsey, I know I am definitely not an ESTJ, but are they any different to MBTT's definition of the ESTJ? I s'pose one argument for them being different is that Keirsey notes that his ESTJ and his ENTJ are lightyears away from each other in similarities, whereas in MBTT, they are in fact very similar.
How would you trace the 5w8?
With a pen or sword?
Pen. Eights with a strong link to Five are generally intellectuals who use their mind and will rather than their physical strength to gain independence in some way. And obviously Fives prefer the pen, because they are, by definition, head types.