2020 Democratic Party primary thread

[Jaguar]

Bloomberg Philanthropies has stepped in to cover the $10 million funding gap at the UN created when Trump revoked most financial support for international climate action.

It seems people are frequently picking up the tab for that spineless asshole.

"It creates the perception that only rich white people care about climate, and we have been working so hard to overcome that assumption by bringing climate justice front and center with the Green New Deal," Miller said.

Oh, I see. So you don't want actual results, you just want to get some attention that mumsie didn't give you or god help us all sing out in a staccato, "I need to be heard."

Charles Komanoff, co-founder of the nonprofit Carbon Tax Center in New York, who is currently gearing up his organization to advocate for the Green New Deal, views Bloomberg as out-of-step with that drive—in part because Komanoff sees taxes on extreme wealth as the most logical way to pay for the initiatives and advance the Green New Deal's goal of economic justice.

"Mike Bloomberg, with all his vision and good will, is too discordant of what is the new reality of forcing the ultra-rich to give up huge portions of their wealth to finance the Green New Deal," Komanoff said.

So, you don't want him spending his own money on the problem, but you want to take his money for the problem. That's twisted.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Bloomberg for President

Lol, look at all the articles at 0. It looks like subreddit is getting downvote brigaded to hell. Must feel bad for all the "passionate Bloomberg volunteers" on there.

Edit: actually, it's funnier than that. You can't downvote on that subreddit. So nobody is actually voting for the positive stories, only the negative stories.

 

[Tellenbach]

Operation Chaos 2.0 Update: Get Bernie over the finish line. Conservative radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt said he's going to vote for Bernie in the Virginia primary and urges other Republicans to do the same in South Carolina. It's weird how a little spark can ignite and burn down lots of stuff.

Operation Chaos has now gone national. If you are a Republican in Virginia or South Carolina, please vote for Bernie in the primary. He's the weakest candidate of the 3 frontrunners (Bloomberg, Biden, and Sanders).

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Operation Chaos 2.0 Update: Get Bernie over the finish line. Conservative radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt said he's going to vote for Bernie in the Virginia primary and urges other Republicans to do the same in South Carolina. It's weird how a little spark can ignite and burn down lots of stuff.

Operation Chaos has now gone national. If you are a Republican in Virginia or South Carolina, please vote for Bernie in the primary. He's the weakest candidate of the 3 frontrunners (Bloomberg, Biden, and Sanders).

I support Operation Chaos as someone who thinks Bernie is more electable than Bloomberg. DEW IT!

I know lots of people who won't even vote for Bloomberg in a general. I'm one of them. I have a hard time telling who sucks more given a choice between him and Trump, which prompts me, and others, to just go, fuck it... protest vote. This is a guy who called transgender people "some guy in a dress" as recently as a year ago. He's too anti-gun for republicans and too pro-plutocracy for Democrats. Where exactly is his base of support in a general? Rubes seduced by incessant political ads?

Bloomberg isn't a Democrat.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

I support Operation Chaos as someone who thinks Bernie is more electable than Bloomberg. DEW IT!

I know lots of people who won't even vote for Bloomberg in a general. I'm one of them. I have a hard time telling who sucks more given a choice between him and Trump, which prompts me, and others, to just go, fuck it... protest vote. This is a guy who called transgender people "some guy in a dress" as recently as a year ago. He's too anti-gun for republicans and too pro-plutocracy for Democrats. Where exactly is his base of support in a general? Rubes seduced by incessant political ads?

Bloomberg isn't a Democrat.

Bloomy has hired his staff through November. He paid triple the going rate. He is greatly staffed up nationwide.

He is running in November with or without the Democratic nomination.... which means Trump wins. Very few Trump voters would vote Bloomberg, but it would give a place to the NeverTrumpers and rich Democrats and the suburban folks.

I suspect many Trump voters would vote Bernie before Bloomy.

Bloomberg will turn America into a full on corporate country instead of just a partially corporate country.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Bloomy has hired his staff through November. He paid triple the going rate. He is greatly staffed up nationwide.

He is running in November with or without the Democratic nomination.... which means Trump wins. Very few Trump voters would vote Bloomberg, but it would give a place to the NeverTrumpers and rich Democrats and the suburban folks.

I suspect many Trump voters would vote Bernie before Bloomy.

Bloomberg will turn America into a full on corporate country instead of just a partially corporate country.

If that happens, I can blame them for getting Trump re-elected the way they blamed Bernie. They would be the ones who didn't get behind the Democratic nominee; in the end, it had nothing to do with electability but their own pocket book.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Operation Chaos 2.0 Update: Get Bernie over the finish line. Conservative radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt said he's going to vote for Bernie in the Virginia primary and urges other Republicans to do the same in South Carolina. It's weird how a little spark can ignite and burn down lots of stuff.

Operation Chaos has now gone national. If you are a Republican in Virginia or South Carolina, please vote for Bernie in the primary. He's the weakest candidate of the 3 frontrunners (Bloomberg, Biden, and Sanders).

Careful what you wish for. I’m going to remind you of this if Bernie wins in November

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Operation Chaos 2.0 Update: Get Bernie over the finish line. Conservative radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt said he's going to vote for Bernie in the Virginia primary and urges other Republicans to do the same in South Carolina. It's weird how a little spark can ignite and burn down lots of stuff.

Operation Chaos has now gone national. If you are a Republican in Virginia or South Carolina, please vote for Bernie in the primary. He's the weakest candidate of the 3 frontrunners (Bloomberg, Biden, and Sanders).

Careful what you wish for. I’m going to remind you of this if Bernie wins in November

Remember he’s one of the few people who have polled consistently well against Trump since 2016

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Bloomy has hired his staff through November. He paid triple the going rate. He is greatly staffed up nationwide.

He is running in November with or without the Democratic nomination.... which means Trump wins. Very few Trump voters would vote Bloomberg, but it would give a place to the NeverTrumpers and rich Democrats and the suburban folks.

I suspect many Trump voters would vote Bernie before Bloomy.

Bloomberg will turn America into a full on corporate country instead of just a partially corporate country.

I don’t see him doing better than 9% of the popular vote as an independent candidate

And that’s only if there aren’t more charismatic third party candidates running, in which case Bloomberg might get 4 % if he’s lucky

 

[Stigmata]

I support Operation Chaos as someone who thinks Bernie is more electable than Bloomberg. DEW IT!

I know lots of people who won't even vote for Bloomberg in a general. I'm one of them. I have a hard time telling who sucks more given a choice between him and Trump, which prompts me, and others, to just go, fuck it... protest vote. This is a guy who called transgender people "some guy in a dress" as recently as a year ago. He's too anti-gun for republicans and too pro-plutocracy for Democrats. Where exactly is his base of support in a general? Rubes seduced by incessant political ads?

Bloomberg isn't a Democrat.

Bloomberg isn't too far removed from Trump's ilk, and I think he'd ultimately be replacing one self-absorbed billionaire intent on preserving the status quo with another.

I've been hearing some people say the purpose of Bloomberg isn't so much to be an actual candidate for the presidency, but moreso implanted to stifle the traction by more of the far left-leaning candidates who are running on platforms like M4A and heavy taxation on billionaires. There's a heavy amount of conspiracy theory of it all, but I definitely see some legitimacy in the idea.

 

[Totenkindly]

I support Operation Chaos as someone who thinks Bernie is more electable than Bloomberg. DEW IT!

I know lots of people who won't even vote for Bloomberg in a general. I'm one of them. I have a hard time telling who sucks more given a choice between him and Trump, which prompts me, and others, to just go, fuck it... protest vote. This is a guy who called transgender people "some guy in a dress" as recently as a year ago. He's too anti-gun for republicans and too pro-plutocracy for Democrats. Where exactly is his base of support in a general? Rubes seduced by incessant political ads?

Bloomberg isn't a Democrat.

My sense based on context is that he was not describing his own view necessarily but the view of those who would be voting to the right of center. (I could be wrong, but that was how I tended to read it.)

However, it was a dumb comment to make at best and insensitively phrased, he's still tossing the trans community under the bus; and I'm not into him regardless as a candidate or a person on other issues. I want him to GTFO, his superpower in this election is simply throwing money at everything. It shows you how money can pretty much buy you everything, because he hasn't really been running, he hasn't been wooing the public, he hasn't tried to win over people directly, he hasn't put in the time to show he actually cares about shared cultural evolution -- he's just saturated the media noise with his own brand to increase familiarity before Super Tuesday without engaging.

He's kind of proving the point about what a scourge to an engaged dialogue that money can be in our country. That's all we need -- yet one more guy with money buying the presidency. Yes, money has definitely helped others win, but this is about as blatant as it gets without any attempt to even pretend to win over the public with actual discourse.

I'm hoping he gets cut down to size tonight.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I support Operation Chaos as someone who thinks Bernie is more electable than Bloomberg. DEW IT!

I know lots of people who won't even vote for Bloomberg in a general. I'm one of them. I have a hard time telling who sucks more given a choice between him and Trump, which prompts me, and others, to just go, fuck it... protest vote. This is a guy who called transgender people "some guy in a dress" as recently as a year ago. He's too anti-gun for republicans and too pro-plutocracy for Democrats. Where exactly is his base of support in a general? Rubes seduced by incessant political ads?

Bloomberg isn't a Democrat.

To be honest this doesn't even have to be malice. Right is full of working people and for them Bernie vs. Trump would probably be a better game than Trump against someone like Bloomberg. Some of these people will probably even be switching sides in the November. From what I understand MAGA camp is full of ex-union workers and their close relatives, however since the unions basically collapsed they are now MAGA or something related to that.


This isn't necessarily cheap partisan game.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

My sense based on context is that he was not describing his own view necessarily but the view of those who would be voting to the right of center. (I could be wrong, but that was how I tended to read it.)

However, it was a dumb comment to make at best and insensitively phrased, he's still tossing the trans community under the bus; and I'm not into him regardless as a candidate or a person on other issues. I want him to GTFO, his superpower in this election is simply throwing money at everything. It shows you how money can pretty much buy you everything, because he hasn't really been running, he hasn't been wooing the public, he hasn't tried to win over people directly, he hasn't put in the time to show he actually cares about shared cultural evolution -- he's just saturated the media noise with his own brand to increase familiarity before Super Tuesday without engaging.

He's kind of proving the point about what a scourge to an engaged dialogue that money can be in our country. That's all we need -- yet one more guy with money buying the presidency. Yes, money has definitely helped others win, but this is about as blatant as it gets without any attempt to even pretend to win over the public with actual discourse.

I'm hoping he gets cut down to size tonight.

Me too. He didn't go through the normal process that the other candidates went through where they gauge how much support they have. He gives the impression that it's entirely irrelevant, and would rather just dump money a few weeks before Super Tuesday than operate on the same field as everyone else. It certainly comes off like trying to buy the election. It's pretty bad that he expects to at least influence the race because of all his money without even being on the ballot in the first few primaries.

I read an article yesterday explaining how anti-Bloomberg is a much larger group than just Bernie bros. I really worry about what would happen if he can either win the nomination or influence that process; I think it would actually destroy the Democratic party the way everyone said Trump winning the Republican nomination would. With Trump, I always wondered about that, because it seems like he's just saying a lot of things that Republicans believe, just more bluntly and in a less polished way. Bloomberg actually does, however, go against a lot of things Democratic voters care about. Him buying his way into the club is really not a good look for the Democratic party.

 

[ceecee]

To be honest this doesn't even have to be malice. Right is full of working people and for them Bernie vs. Trump would probably be a better game than Trump against someone like Bloomberg. Some of these people will probably even be switching sides in the November. From what I understand MAGA camp is full of ex-union workers and their close relatives, however since the unions basically collapsed they are now MAGA or something related to that.


This isn't necessarily cheap partisan game.

Unions aren't MAGA or basically collapsed but even the last SCOTUS decision isn't having much of the desired effect - even places that have never been unionized are unionizing now. Don't believe me?

Grad student wildcat strike.

#COLA4All as Commune: A Report on the First Week of the Santa Cruz Wildcat Strike - It's Going Down
The only savior the working people have is themselves and to accomplish that they to understand and there is only one labor candidate running. I have been Bernie canvassing every weekend since the new year that message resonates with Trump voters as well as everybody else.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I've thought the Democratic party needed a serious challenge from the left for years, and doing it from within the party is the way to do so. This is exactly what the country needs, and honestly, I never expected to see this in my lifetime.

Unions aren't MAGA or basically collapsed but even the last SCOTUS decision isn't having much of the desired effect - even places that have never been unionized are unionizing now. Don't believe me?

Grad student wildcat strike.

#COLA4All as Commune: A Report on the First Week of the Santa Cruz Wildcat Strike - It's Going Down
The only savior the working people have is themselves and to accomplish that they to understand and there is only one labor candidate running. I have been Bernie canvassing every weekend since the new year that message resonates with Trump voters as well as everybody else.

The Democratic party took the working class for granted. I'm convinced that the outcome of 2016 is in some way the consequence of that.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Unions aren't MAGA or basically collapsed but even the last SCOTUS decision isn't having much of the desired effect - even places that have never been unionized are unionizing now. Don't believe me?

Grad student wildcat strike.

#COLA4All as Commune: A Report on the First Week of the Santa Cruz Wildcat Strike - It's Going Down
The only savior the working people have is themselves and to accomplish that they to understand and there is only one labor candidate running. I have been Bernie canvassing every weekend since the new year that message resonates with Trump voters as well as everybody else.

As I understand things: USA had more unions a few decades ago. But ok it seems that some things are returning, so I believe you in general.


However I got the impression that in MAGA there is a decent chunk of what used to be typical american working class. After all these are tens of millions of people. Trump won exactly on the working class foundations (trade, bringing jobs back, something about universal healthcare ... etc.). I doubt many voted mainly for the trolling of mainstream politicians.

 

[ceecee]

As I understand things: USA had more unions a few decades ago. But ok it seems that some things are returning, so I believe you in general.


However I got the impression that in MAGA there is a decent chunk of what used to be typical american working class. After all these are tens of millions of people. Trump won exactly on the working class foundations (trade, bringing jobs back, something about universal healthcare ... etc.). I doubt many voted mainly for the trolling of mainstream politicians.

I work for SEIU, which is lower income jobs and I specifically work in the healthcare branch. That's lab techs and radiology techs and CNA, environmental services, housekeeping, nursing home workers... I have yet to find one that I would consider MAGA. On the other hand, I've met all kinds of small business tyrants, managers at a car dealership authoritarians, township supervisors dictators....those are loud and proud MAGA. There is a difference strangely enough, the people in the first category are overwhelmingly women and people of color. The second category is all male and all white. But at a glance, they are all working class, all the same.

But if you know where to look - not the mainstream anything - and if you know who to talk to - not moderate Dems and not Republicans - you can see real changes but they aren't coming from a single person or the government. It's coming from people. That's

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I work for SEIU, which is lower income jobs and I specifically work in the healthcare branch. That's lab techs and radiology techs and CNA, environmental services, housekeeping, nursing home workers... I have yet to find one that I would consider MAGA. On the other hand, I've met all kinds of small business tyrants, managers at a car dealership authoritarians, township supervisors dictators....those are loud and proud MAGA. There is a difference strangely enough, the people in the first category are overwhelmingly women and people of color. The second category is all male and all white. But at a glance, they are all working class, all the same.

But if you know where to look - not the mainstream anything - and if you know who to talk to - not moderate Dems and not Republicans - you can see real changes but they aren't coming from a single person or the government. It's coming from people. That's

I attended an event at an SEIU office a few weeks ago, and the energy there was amazing. Definitely heartening to know that other people are on the same page as me. This was on a Saturday morning, by the way. I came away from the experience very impressed and energized.

 

[ceecee]

I attended an event at an SEIU office a few weeks ago, and the energy there was amazing. Definitely heartening to know that other people are on the same page as me. This was on a Saturday morning, by the way. I came away from the experience very impressed and energized.

See, you looked in one of the the right places.

 

[Tellenbach]

Talk radio hosts are comparing Bloomberg to Mr. Potter from It's a Wonderful Life, lol. Sure, he's rich and owns half the city and sure he thinks he knows how to run things best, but Potter never started "stop and frisk" or called people "it". People are being much too harsh on Potter.