Kalach
Filthy Apes!
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These thoughts crossed my mind too. I think we can safely say no function can operates exclusively and removed from input from other functions. However, I don't think this means this discussion is without merit. We still distinguish the functions individually in the theory, so I think we speak about them in similar terms when it comes to what parts of the mind they access.
In a discussion of the unconscious it's probably a bad idea to imagine that conscious practice is a good guide.
I think it's impossible to determine whether Judgement or Perception are more or less dependent on the other.
Most especially when neither are looked at any more closely than "ITZ A FUNCTION!"
(1) perception is not the operation of the senses, which is to say, all perception is created on top of and possibly without even much reference to, basic biological sense data.
(2) judgement is not especially clever, no matter whether it seeks subjectivity or objectivity, which is to say, it too is created by a person.
(3) there are objective functions that really do record and respond to items outside yourself.
Those, and a few other things, are a decent start down the path to knowing that the mechanisms of both judgment and perception are not what "we" think they are. Almost any version of "function" as described by people who "use" them describes a governing ideology, but not the function itself.
There aren't even any functions!
Perceiving doms have this attitude that they are, "just seeing things how they are" and that this somehow makes their views more honest, unfiltered and unfettered than Judging doms. But Judging is not always as cerebral, deliberate and complicated as Perceiving doms tend to believe it is - there can be a clarity and immediacy in the instinct too.
Pffft. Not only do I have teh Ni, it's paired with teh Fi. According to this thread, I HOLD ALL THE KEYS TO THE UNCONSCIOUS!
I WILL NOT BE DENIED!