On the other hand I would say that E7s are cocky in a charming manner, whereas E3s are egoistical.
For a person who 'notices' things it would be clear as to where the charm of an E3 is coming from.
again, the reverse. 3s are the kings/queens of charm; 7s wear their thoughts on their sleeves, and their thoughts are often egotistical
all Id types are egotistical, but 7s are egotistical par excellence because they feel no need to back it up
- 8s back up their ego with their strength
- 3s back up their ego with their accomplishments. "it's not arrogant if it's true"
- 7s do not believe their ego needs to be backed up at all. they think "I believe I can, therefore I am". while a 3 is going to be comparing themselves against external metrics, a 7 is likely to just waltz in and think "I can do this" only to fall on their face when they realize that real competence is required and not just a positive, confident frame of mind.
Agree. It's the E4 E2 difference.
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No I didn't.
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I didn't say "you said", I said "you make it sound like". very well though, I misinterpreted.
I thought I was being clear. E7s don't have an issue relating to others, whereas E3s would. Even 3w2 wouldn't want to entirely relate to others. Maybe their values they would but they always try to emit an image that they are better. It is clear once one gets to notice it.
eh, I think both types can be either. unhealthy and lower-average 7s can have difficulty relating by virtue of believing they are better than others (they aren't trying to prove this, but they believe and people can tell and are put off. an extreme example is Viserys Targaryen from Game of Thrones)
Sexual 7s can often have difficulty relating for other reasons. this subtype is prone to fantasizing and pursuit of extreme stimulation and out of the ordinary experience. therefore, Sexual 7s often have difficulty relating to things that are "normal" (in a manner similar to 4s, which they often mistype as) and are surprised when reality is nowhere near as glamorous as the grand fantasy they'd dreamed up for it in their minds. to use a personal example, I relate far more to most anime and movie characters than I do most real people. in a world of Elfboys, talking like a fictional character would be the norm because that's just how everyone would think.
I'm describing average and you are describing unhealthy. I see E7s as types simply want to get what they want. This is why their instinctual variant is very clear.
then your view of 7 is overly simplistic. underneath the "I want to get what I want and avoid pain" is a deeply frustrated individual who came into the world feeling as though they received a lack of nurturing. they therefore take it upon themselves to nurture themselves, treating themselves similar to how they would a spoiled child. nothing but the best will do and they feel entitled to the best life has to offer.
again, this is where the desire of 7 differs from 3 and 8
3s and 8s believe they need to earn and make exchanges for their desires (3s more than 8s, but 8s at least believe "I need to get stronger in order to take what is mine" and refrain from doing so until they believe they are strong enough). 7s do not. they want everything to be given to them, no strings attached.
it is this quality that makes 7 the narcissist of the Enneagram par excellence
I didn't get the theoretical part of the superego.
superego:
- self critical
- "inner parent"
- strict values and rules
- "should" "supposed to" "ought to"
- a sense of duty/obligation
I'm extremely self centered but not selfish. I believe most E7s are self centered. Of course even that changes according to the health levels.
it varies a bit, but even healthy 7s are still pretty self centered.
I apologize though, I don't buy 7 for you, but it was rude of me to call you out on it.