I am occasional wrong about my predictions, but more often than not I am right. It is terribly distressing to see someone I care about or an organization I am invested in making decisions that clearly are going to take them to an unwanted destination and yet they can't see it until there is absolute proof of it.
Oh yeah - for me decision making happens through gathering information, but when the answer isn't immediately clear, it has to sit awhile. Then suddenly it seems to emerge. Unfortunately, I can't tell exactly when that will be and the more complicated it is, the longer it takes. Ni offers so many options and then options within the options that I almost find it comfortaing when there are some restrictions put on the situation or something to pare down the choices slightly.
Similarly, I find that when I have conflict with someone, I need to talk to them to clarify how I feel (Fe) and also to reduce the options in my mind for whether I'm seeing things correctly, what their part in it is, how they feel about it and so on. Then after going away to process a bit, a whole other set of millions of possibilities pops up for me and I have to go back and reconsult the person. To some this feels like nitpicking or being unforgiving, but I really need their help to lay all those things to rest. If I don't have a chance to resolve those questions, it takes a much longer time for me to work through it all and move on. If the situation is left unresolved and it's a really big deal, or if it seems hopeless that anything in the dynamic will change, sometimes I need to just reduce the options (cut contact for awhile or distance myself) until I can step back a bit emotionally and the answer for how I should interact with the person or whether I should becomes clearer. I don't see INTJs engaging in this kind of behaviour at all, but I think that INFJs are a bit prone to it.
it's just that i relate to so much of what you're saying tho...i'm trying to grasp how it feels...the key difference i guess.
do you feel like your preference is ni but you ne things out a bit too if you need to? i mean is that just how it works?
Ni offers an overall vision of what could be. I've found that Ni doms are very facinated by what will be the result of certain actions or catalysts. Ni uses a lot of observation and searching for patterns. As a function, I think it is pretty future oriented.
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Over time, this structure of past observations becomes a kind of framework for predicting the likelihood of various outcomes in the future. This is a time-consuming process (part of the reason why INFJs sometimes stay in relationships until they have hard evidence that they have exhausted the many various options that could yield a different outcome and until they have observed particularly behavioural patterns emerging and decided what they mean and then in altered any other variables they can before making a hard and fast decision against someone they have trusted in the past).
I am occasional wrong about my predictions, but more often than not I am right. It is terribly distressing to see someone I care about or an organization I am invested in making decisions that clearly are going to take them to an unwanted destination and yet they can't see it until there is absolute proof of it.
In a creative sense, I find Ni frustrating. I have a hazy impression of what a piece of art or writing could look like in the distance and how amazing it can be, but as I try to reproduce it, I am always disappointed by the result.
Oh yeah - for me decision making happens through gathering information, but when the answer isn't immediately clear, it has to sit awhile. Then suddenly it seems to emerge. Unfortunately, I can't tell exactly when that will be and the more complicated it is, the longer it takes. Ni offers so many options and then options within the options that I almost find it comfortaing when there are some restrictions put on the situation or something to pare down the choices slightly.
Similarly, I find that when I have conflict with someone, I need to talk to them to clarify how I feel (Fe) and also to reduce the options in my mind for whether I'm seeing things correctly, what their part in it is, how they feel about it and so on. Then after going away to process a bit, a whole other set of millions of possibilities pops up for me and I have to go back and reconsult the person. To some this feels like nitpicking or being unforgiving, but I really need their help to lay all those things to rest. If I don't have a chance to resolve those questions, it takes a much longer time for me to work through it all and move on. If the situation is left unresolved and it's a really big deal, or if it seems hopeless that anything in the dynamic will change, sometimes I need to just reduce the options (cut contact for awhile or distance myself) until I can step back a bit emotionally and the answer for how I should interact with the person or whether I should becomes clearer. I don't see INTJs engaging in this kind of behaviour at all, but I think that INFJs are a bit prone to it.
I have this problem. When I was a child I had great confidence in myself and couldn't figure out why people were making dumb decisions, so I'd tell them they were wrong, and the problem was, they usually were, so it reinforced this, and no one likes a know-it-all. Then I matured and learned you can't predict the future, so I became too accepting of others' POV. A lot of others don't have strong intrapersonal intelligence, and I should've trusted my gut to know they were misreading themselves. Now I'm just at the phase where I'm learning that I don't have to explain myself to people when I don't buy their largely unfounded BS, and I'm learning that by being stronger at predicting outcomes, assessing risk, and navigating that space, it's not a shot at them, it's simply a strength of mine. They're probably better at lots of other things than I am, but I'm good at envisioning the domino fallout.
But yeah, "distressing" is an appropriate adjective. It's tough to sit on your hands and bite your tongue after you've spoken up once and they aren't going to listen. I have no idea how to use this energy more productively. That's a maturity I haven't developed yet.
so are you less aware of it because it's introverted?
i don't understand really because i just feel like i use both...but maybe it's just ne and fi or something...idk
okay so...rather than be flooded with possible scenarios...or truths...or ideas...or whatever it's like one singular truth...but...you then explore all the surrounding data to see if it supports it or redefines it?
am i making any sense?
do you think there's any truth to the cf tests that say you (i) would use both ne ni and fi fe? or do you think i'm just not understanding the questions?
also...what kind of art do you like?
do you feel compelled to create?
do you feel like you live deep within your inner world?
I think when something is so innate to your being that it is hard to pull yourself back and realize that the way you think is different than other people. Yes - I will tend to jump to a conclusion (or sort of a hypothesis) and then look for information to shoot holes in it to see if it stands up. It is more about gathering evidence to prove the intuition wrong than proving it right.
I personally don't think we use our opposite functions much. So, I really don't think I use Fe or Ne.
I like a lot of art but especially things like Monet, Klimt and Van Gogh. I'm compelled to create for sure but nothing artistic. It is more of a practical creativity. I do this at clients - solving new problems, innovating, communicating leading edge thoughts on stuff and things like that. I think written words are the most powerful way I express myself. On Friday, I collaborated with a project team at work on how to craft the storyline for a client deliverable. This is a creative exercise for me. It might be coming up with a framework of the components required to operationalize a solution. It might be developing a strategy or plan. I wrote a letter last year and it was something of a work of art in my mind. Designing and building the house was also very much a creative exercise.
It isn't the same as truth, to me.
I see it as just the way it will be. Truth has the connotation of meaning the right way will prevail, but it is simply seeing how something will occur with the knowledge you collect. It is tapping realities keg and seeing what flows forth. It also isn't necessarily truth because this intuition can fail. Also this idea of truth implies that we know/understand everything that we see; however, I think that the point I made before this one also covers that idea of truth, too. We still want it to be what we see. This is why Se is important. We need to understand that our visions need the environment to cooperate and simply wishing, or willing it to our own liking that the environment will have it's own wishes and demands.
I think when something is so innate to your being that it is hard to pull yourself back and realize that the way you think is different than other people. Yes - I will tend to jump to a conclusion (or sort of a hypothesis) and then look for information to shoot holes in it to see if it stands up. It is more about gathering evidence to prove the intuition wrong than proving it right. I personally don't think we use our opposite functions much. So, I really don't think I use Fe or Ne.
I like a lot of art but especially things like Monet, Klimt and Van Gogh. I'm compelled to create for sure but nothing artistic. It is more of a practical creativity. I do this at clients - solving new problems, innovating, communicating leading edge thoughts on stuff and things like that. I think written words are the most powerful way I express myself. On Friday, I collaborated with a project team at work on how to craft the storyline for a client deliverable. This is a creative exercise for me. It might be coming up with a framework of the components required to operationalize a solution. It might be developing a strategy or plan. I wrote a letter last year and it was something of a work of art in my mind. Designing and building the house was also very much a creative exercise.