I'd like to know too about where Ni/Ne starts bleeding into Fe. If something is offensive, I want to understand why, because that's where I think most of the learning happens.
this:
- I think this is more Ne/Ni stuff, but sometimes I get impatient with being offered "uncooked" ideas - stuff that has not been thought through to conclusion, because I mistake it for being offered a "cooked" but odd-tasting conclusion. I'm getting better at recognizing this sooner, but I still sometimes get kind of judgey and frustrated before I remember.
i'm trying to think of a good way to explain this so it won't go in a dozen of potential miscommunications. see in your mind you are seen NPs giving you unbaked goods, but in the NP experience you are putting forth and uncooked piece which clearly has a lot more room for cooking - and declaring that it's cooked. but that is still rather vague... the problem - and the point where it gets offensive - is when it gets into practice.
imagine you are reading the reports of the case of dexter morgan.. except you have 7 reporters investigating it, and each of them decided that the case close and that the information is cooked in a completely different point:
scenario A:
fact 1: dexter killed the person who murdered his wife...
scenario B:
fact 1: dexter killed the person who murdered his wife...
fact 2: dexter has invaded this person's life and threatened him before hand...
scenario C:
fact 1: dexter killed the person who murdered his wife...
fact 2: dexter was intending to kill him before his wife was killed...
fact 3: because dexter is a serial killer himself...
scenario D:
fact 1: dexter killed the person who murdered his wife...
fact 2: dexter was intending to kill him before his wife was killed...
fact 3: because dexter is a serial killer himself...
fact 4: but he only kills other serial killers...
scenario E:
fact 1: dexter killed the person who murdered his wife.
fact 2: dexter was intending to kill him before his wife was killed.
fact 3: because dexter is a serial killer himself...
fact 4: but he only kills other serial killers...
fact 5: for his survival, because people rarely avenge the loss of psychopaths...
scenario F:
fact 1: dexter killed the person who murdered his wife...
fact 2: dexter was intending to kill him before his wife was killed...
fact 3: because dexter is a serial killer himself...
fact 4: but he only kills other serial killers...
fact 5: for his survival, because people rarely avenge the loss of psychopaths...
fact 6: so that he can go on living 'n killing, since he can't control it otherwise...
scenario G:
fact 1: dexter killed the person who murdered his wife...
fact 2: dexter was intending to kill him before his wife was killed...
fact 3: because dexter is a serial killer himself...
fact 4: but he only kills other serial killers...
fact 5: for his survival, because people rarely avenge the loss of psychopaths...
fact 6: so that he can go on living 'n killing, since he can't control it otherwise...
fact 7: or so his father has raised him to believe since he was a young child...
in scenario A, dexter is someone who'd kill out of revenge
in scenario B dexter is somewhat creepy and suspicious but it isn't quite clear
in scenario C, an entire range of possible motives for dexter's wife's killer show up.
in scenario D we find out that dexter is actually a vigilante
in scenario E we find out that he's is strategic...
in scenario F, he isn't a vigilantly, but an addict & a psychopath
in scenario G dexter is neither - he is more a victim of circumstance, blind to his own freewill
this can go on and on, and yet choose any point within it at which the story is done and you've gathered all the relevant information, and you'd be missing the next bit which changes the picture altogether - the meaning one's actions, the nature of the agents, the relevant events, etc'.
ofcourse, dexter is going to end in a few weeks and will hopefully have a good sense of closure. RL on the other hand doesn't - have you ever heard of a scientific field closing up? "ok, we're done! we've learned everything there is to know about [insert area of study]! let's move on. next please!"... nope, because there is always more to be learned and it sometimes the smallest details can change the picture entirely. you do get to points of diminishing returns in regards to further investigation - not because you are ever out of potential game changing findings but simply because it gets harder to find them - which can justify putting less effort into finding more information, but what it can never justify is closing the lid from information others find to be relevant.
the point where it makes sense to do so isn't when you care about reality, it's when you care about the narrative - if the narrative where dexter is a vigilante, or alternatively the one where he is a psychopath, has some positive or negative value for you. and narratives are cool - they are comforting, they have a sense of clarity, and most importantly a meaning with an emotional appeal.... it's all quite understandable.. as a form of mental masturbation. and hey, everybody wanks. seriously, nuns too.. but also non metaphorically - humans are natural born storytellers, we all indulge in narratives.
but when you apply it to real life, pick a point of all conclusiveness and decide that it's all cooked, you are trying to force a narrative upon it and everyone within it - the real world is where other people happen to exist, and the fact is other people aren't going to be living through the same narrative, they are going through their own processes in life and experiencing stuff completely separate from your narrative, and quite likely contradicting it. in affect, by closing the barrel and saying you no thank you for information - your full - you are mentally killing off anyone it concerns. you have the answers you want in your head, as far as their real circumstances are concerned, you are effectively telling them you do no longer give a shit (probably in nicer words).
this to me comes in direct contrast with my Fe:
you can't care about others if you don't care about the reality in which everyone else exist. and i'm somewhat fine with that when it stands on it's own - but not when the narrative you try to force is about caring for others.