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- Feb 9, 2010
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I think there's something to it, but the correlations are subtle and likely cannot be quantified in a way for scientific study and proof. It's kind of like trying to describe how something smells to someone else: in the end, the only way for them to understand and identify the smell is to offer a sample to smell.
I believe that's what Rasofy is doing here, with sight instead of smell, trying to help identify a "vibe" or general impression of the type based on what one senses. INTP is also correct, here, in that a lot of the "vibe" to be sensed from a type is dynamic, not static, and a photograph is thus rather limited in this regard. Where I've seen this make the most sense to me is in terms of identifying particular moves or fidgets in an NLP way as being indicative of underlying Jungian functions, that these movements are subtle enough to not be learned or inculcated by culture.
Folk typology? Yeah, sure, that's a fair assessment, but that doesn't mean that there isn't something to be gleaned. It just means that it probably won't get very far, mostly because it takes too much real effort and resources to do it correctly in a systematically rigorous way.
Rasofy, I totally get what you mean in terms of that vibe one gets. I sometimes see it in pictures, but I usually don't trust what I see in pictures, because it leaves out too much. In particular, I often see photos of FJ types often looking like FP types, in particular when it's a studied, purposeful expression. It's the unguarded moments that are more revealing ... or in the case of FJs, seeing the controlled expressiveness in action, which the FPs lack. (FPs go silent and still to hide their feelings, but find it difficult to express it in the controlled way that FJs typically use.)
The real "danger" here is that on a personal, anecdotal level, it's possible to identify (vibe) to traits that only occasionally reflect the functions. For instance, a type 9 INFP is rather different from a type 4 INFP, but if you end up classifying the type 9 vibe as being part of the INFP vibe, you'll miss the type 4 INFPs. It's just as important to classify and understand the the part of the vibe you get from someone as NOT being part of their MBTI type, but are really other personality traits or cultural influences. Overall, I don't think this is a useful way to definitively type someone, but as a practiced skill, it can with other observations allow one to more quickly identify another's type (e.g., I get an Fi vibe from this person, is that backed up by my other knowledge of her? No? OK, does it match with a quiet INFJ? Yeah, that fits better, and know I have a more refined sense of the "Fi vibe" in that I will be less likely to confuse it with the quiet INFJ vibe in the future.)
I believe that's what Rasofy is doing here, with sight instead of smell, trying to help identify a "vibe" or general impression of the type based on what one senses. INTP is also correct, here, in that a lot of the "vibe" to be sensed from a type is dynamic, not static, and a photograph is thus rather limited in this regard. Where I've seen this make the most sense to me is in terms of identifying particular moves or fidgets in an NLP way as being indicative of underlying Jungian functions, that these movements are subtle enough to not be learned or inculcated by culture.
Folk typology? Yeah, sure, that's a fair assessment, but that doesn't mean that there isn't something to be gleaned. It just means that it probably won't get very far, mostly because it takes too much real effort and resources to do it correctly in a systematically rigorous way.
Rasofy, I totally get what you mean in terms of that vibe one gets. I sometimes see it in pictures, but I usually don't trust what I see in pictures, because it leaves out too much. In particular, I often see photos of FJ types often looking like FP types, in particular when it's a studied, purposeful expression. It's the unguarded moments that are more revealing ... or in the case of FJs, seeing the controlled expressiveness in action, which the FPs lack. (FPs go silent and still to hide their feelings, but find it difficult to express it in the controlled way that FJs typically use.)
The real "danger" here is that on a personal, anecdotal level, it's possible to identify (vibe) to traits that only occasionally reflect the functions. For instance, a type 9 INFP is rather different from a type 4 INFP, but if you end up classifying the type 9 vibe as being part of the INFP vibe, you'll miss the type 4 INFPs. It's just as important to classify and understand the the part of the vibe you get from someone as NOT being part of their MBTI type, but are really other personality traits or cultural influences. Overall, I don't think this is a useful way to definitively type someone, but as a practiced skill, it can with other observations allow one to more quickly identify another's type (e.g., I get an Fi vibe from this person, is that backed up by my other knowledge of her? No? OK, does it match with a quiet INFJ? Yeah, that fits better, and know I have a more refined sense of the "Fi vibe" in that I will be less likely to confuse it with the quiet INFJ vibe in the future.)