MacGuffin
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I thought you'd liberated yourself from that burden already?
Not if they are your own problems, or problems you helped create.
I thought you'd liberated yourself from that burden already?
Right. So your motivation is to discover whether or not you are at fault, and therefore whether or not you have to do anything. With the overall goal of doing as little as possible ("I don't want to be disturbed") which you achieve by blaming others.Not if they are your own problems, or problems you helped create.
Right. So your motivation is to discover whether or not you are at fault, and therefore whether or not you have to do anything. With the overall goal of doing as little as possible ("I don't want to be disturbed") which you achieve by blaming others.
See how that works?
Because that's how you learn to become authentic and fully present.Why burden myself if I'm not at fault?
Because that's how you learn to become authentic and fully present.
IOW, self-awareness through suffering.
There is a difference between beating yourself up because someone else is hurting and just being present with that person and allowing yourself to share their experience and accept and validate their feelings - which you can't do if you are judging them ("it's their problem") or judging yourself ("I fucked up") or insisting that they feel happy and great all the time just so they don't disturb your mood. That's just selfish and it closes you off to real communication. You need to take off your rose-coloured specs if you really want to see.
Careful, you're channeling your inner ISTJ.I disagree, sometimes people need judging.
I think I'm pretty good at not judging people's reactions to what I say.But I'll be glad to "judge" you on that standard from now on if you wish.
Because that's how you learn to become authentic and fully present.
IOW, self-awareness through suffering.
There is a difference between beating yourself up because someone else is hurting and just being present with that person and allowing yourself to share their experience and accept and validate their feelings - which you can't do if you are judging them ("it's their problem") or judging yourself ("I fucked up") or insisting that they feel happy and great all the time just so they don't disturb your mood. That's just selfish and it closes you off to real communication. You need to take off your rose-coloured specs if you really want to see.
very well said miss morgan! it's about being present while taking yourself out of it...know what i mean? are you capable of doing that mac?
We know you're more than capable of sarcasm and deflection.
Can I do it? Yes, but it is difficult, the people are many, and time is short.So you're not deflecting, Mr Ronin Attorney?
Ok. I'll stop, you can have your thread back.
I was deeply conflicted as to whether I was a 5 or a 9 for about an hour there. But then I remembered my obsession with H.P. Lovecraft and his occult mythologies. Definitely a 5.
Why is that?
On many of the profiles I read it said that one of the main differences between fives and nines is that fives are drawn to darker and more disturbing systems of thought (Indeed, I've often whimsically thought how the world would be infinitely better and more interesting place were the mythologies cultivated by H.P. Lovecraft true) than nines are, who prefer more "harmonious" systems and theories.
Indeed, now that I think about it, I am always drawn to the dark, and the tragic, and the horrific, dissonance over harmony, dark over light, and sad over happy. So, in that way, I am more a five than a nine.
I read a lot of horror/mystery novels (including a Lovecraft phase in college) and prefer a tragedy to a happy ending, but I don't think that makes me a 5.
This is the one jarring thing. You're kinda dark for a 9.I read a lot of horror/mystery novels (including a Lovecraft phase in college) and prefer a tragedy to a happy ending, but I don't think that makes me a 5.
This is the one jarring thing. You're kinda dark for a 9.