tinkerbell
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I'm not having a go at anyone just bring the subject up because I think it's worth a discussion of it's own...
I've noticed that periodically other types seem to think that NT's are mentally ill - usually because they are different to themselves... Sometime this seems to leave NT's questionning themselve and trying to identify with mental health symptoms...
Can we get this right out... Mental Illness is the same as physical illenss - it has proper clinical feature and presentations. It requires a qualified professional to diagnose (which usually takes several weeks of observation and therapy ....in the case of mental health).
There is a MASSive range of what healthy is... A stubbed toe doesn't mean you have broken it, it requires an exray or other diagnostic to be termed broken...
With mental health there are set ranges of normal - often requiring multiple symptoms to be excessive to build an unhealthy/ill individual.
If you sat through leactures on mental illnesses - most people would suffer from eveything, because HEALTHY people suffer from the symptoms. Having an odd degree of paranoia is normal, feeling paranoid all the time to the point where it prevents you from living your life - verges on mentally ill... but there would be other presenting factors.
It seems a very glib thing for other types who are diffrent to point the finger at NT's and say because they are different you are mentally ill. Almost all of them would have no professional qualifications while make such an accusation.
NT's live quite a lot of time in their heads... are not nessesarily the life and soul of parties and like to have quiet time... they like to think outside boxes - roads less travelled. Because they live in their heads they will consider what you are accusing them off and potentailly talk themselves into having problems...
Diagnosing someone elses mental health problem is roughtly about as insulting as them calling you a peodophle in a public space... perhaps in your work place... thats they type of level of how much those accusation impact the NT (and yes I'm probably bigging it up to make the point).
An example of a clinical depression... The person begins to feel blue... they begin to want to do a lot less in terms of their day to day activities... their mood slowly declines to a point where they have suicidal thought (and possibly attempts) there mood may slowly decline where they can't get out of bed and hit a stupor... they may decline further to the point where they wont even get up to go to the bathroom... there mood may then improve to the point where they get out of bed... there mood improved to the point where they have the energy to possibly commit suicide again (yes it's a bell curve)... and so on until they hit the point of better mental health.. They may well self harm at the two points around suidice periods... in that time thy may put thier hand through windows, cut themselves, go swimming in ice cold lakes etc etc basically self harm...
IF you had a friend, collegue, loved one with a headache - you are unlikely to say it's an intercranial bleed... you may suggest paracetamol or equivelent.. if they continue to have headaches you may even suggest they go to the docotor... but still not suggesting some major illness because you are not qualified.
Be careful of chucking around terms you've had only limited experience off. A classic term around here is NPD... trust me you can really tell if someone has NPD and you can really tell very easily if someone has been a victim of NPD... It's not just people being anti social and selfish... it is a proper clinical condition..
Ok I'm ranting... I'm sorry but NT's seem to be the brunt of other types and it bugs me how flippant people are with very heavey conditions....
Your thoughts please....
I'm not having a go at anyone just bring the subject up because I think it's worth a discussion of it's own...
I've noticed that periodically other types seem to think that NT's are mentally ill - usually because they are different to themselves... Sometime this seems to leave NT's questionning themselve and trying to identify with mental health symptoms...
Can we get this right out... Mental Illness is the same as physical illenss - it has proper clinical feature and presentations. It requires a qualified professional to diagnose (which usually takes several weeks of observation and therapy ....in the case of mental health).
There is a MASSive range of what healthy is... A stubbed toe doesn't mean you have broken it, it requires an exray or other diagnostic to be termed broken...
With mental health there are set ranges of normal - often requiring multiple symptoms to be excessive to build an unhealthy/ill individual.
If you sat through leactures on mental illnesses - most people would suffer from eveything, because HEALTHY people suffer from the symptoms. Having an odd degree of paranoia is normal, feeling paranoid all the time to the point where it prevents you from living your life - verges on mentally ill... but there would be other presenting factors.
It seems a very glib thing for other types who are diffrent to point the finger at NT's and say because they are different you are mentally ill. Almost all of them would have no professional qualifications while make such an accusation.
NT's live quite a lot of time in their heads... are not nessesarily the life and soul of parties and like to have quiet time... they like to think outside boxes - roads less travelled. Because they live in their heads they will consider what you are accusing them off and potentailly talk themselves into having problems...
Diagnosing someone elses mental health problem is roughtly about as insulting as them calling you a peodophle in a public space... perhaps in your work place... thats they type of level of how much those accusation impact the NT (and yes I'm probably bigging it up to make the point).
An example of a clinical depression... The person begins to feel blue... they begin to want to do a lot less in terms of their day to day activities... their mood slowly declines to a point where they have suicidal thought (and possibly attempts) there mood may slowly decline where they can't get out of bed and hit a stupor... they may decline further to the point where they wont even get up to go to the bathroom... there mood may then improve to the point where they get out of bed... there mood improved to the point where they have the energy to possibly commit suicide again (yes it's a bell curve)... and so on until they hit the point of better mental health.. They may well self harm at the two points around suidice periods... in that time thy may put thier hand through windows, cut themselves, go swimming in ice cold lakes etc etc basically self harm...
IF you had a friend, collegue, loved one with a headache - you are unlikely to say it's an intercranial bleed... you may suggest paracetamol or equivelent.. if they continue to have headaches you may even suggest they go to the docotor... but still not suggesting some major illness because you are not qualified.
Be careful of chucking around terms you've had only limited experience off. A classic term around here is NPD... trust me you can really tell if someone has NPD and you can really tell very easily if someone has been a victim of NPD... It's not just people being anti social and selfish... it is a proper clinical condition..
Ok I'm ranting... I'm sorry but NT's seem to be the brunt of other types and it bugs me how flippant people are with very heavey conditions....
Your thoughts please....
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