Fernando Perla
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How would you differentiate INFJs from INFPs? I'm not sure where I fit so I want to get this off my chest. Thank you.
I had a worker infj in my house , Fe is so evident .... The selfness from fe is so strong ... working to others , smart , creative , good to solve problems..., yeah infp are alot more selfish.
Fe does not equal selfless and Fi does not equal selfish.
I've tested both INFP and INFJ. I recently read the post about role in groups, and I believe I am more Behind-the-Scenes than Chart-the-Course, and I understand Behind-the-Scenes is more INFP. I'm also famed for how I can flit from idea to idea, which I believe is more INFP.
Although a friend from Columbia feels that zooming from idea to idea, ending up miles from where you started is classically Latino. Note: I am not Latino myself, so can't really comment on what is classically Latino But yes, my Columbian friend is very much an idea flitter himself.
Fe does not equal selfless and Fi does not equal selfish.
It literally does, remove F and we're speaking about introversion and extraversion.
These are literally an orientation towards the outer world and objective data (e), and an orientation towards yourself and your own subjective data (i).
So I mean, it literally is "selfless" vs "selfish" you just have to remove any positive and negative connotations from the words and understand them for what they actually are.
Orientations outwards ie self-"less" - extraversion, and inwards ie of the self ie self-"ish" - introversion.
It literally doesn't. Selfless vs selfish isn't defined by whether you are oriented around the self or not, it's defined by how much you value the needs and desires of yourself versus others. Those are the definitions of the words, that is the context people use it in when applying them to Fe and Fi. If you are implying that Fi places it's own needs above others any more often than Fe does then you're just plain wrong.
Here's my interp: i vs e for functions is about where the criterion for the judgment comes from---within vs without. That means that a Fi-dom can put another's pleasure above the Fi-dom's own, if the Fi-dom sees being this way as 'who they are' -- in this way, the criterion is coming from within, but the actions themselves are what society in basic lingo would call 'selfless.'
They are judging functions, not perceiving functions. So by your logic it should be Fi = judge self, Fe = judge others.Within vs without - exactly, that's my position, from yourself (i) or outside yourself (e). I completely agree - Fi types can put others pleasure above their own, absolutely - but it's still (theoretically) going to be a self-driven position - it's not others oriented, it's looking at yourself and deciding you value the others pleasure above your own - so, it's still searching within yourself (i) for an answer, even if that answer appears on the surface to be self-"less". I'm not saying all Fi/Ti people are "selfish", insofar as all the negative connotations are concerned - just that, introversion in general is inwards - so, it's literally self-above-others in that respect. What the person does with that is on them.
This is really wrong. You should do some reading up on Judging in MBTI and also Jungs rational types.They are judging functions, not perceiving functions. So by your logic it should be Fi = judge self, Fe = judge others. Note that most Fi types have extroverted perceiving too, so typically a good awareness of surroundings and that is where they usually search for information. For threads like this where people are looking at understanding types, I think it is better to start from reality and what people of these types seem to be like, rather than trying to define things using assumed meanings of words and isolated logic.
I thought we were playing the use dictionary definitions and ignore reality game. Sorry, my mistake.This is really wrong. You should do some reading up on Judging in MBTI and also Jungs rational types. It's not related to "judging" in the sense you're understanding the word.