KLessard
Aspiring Troens Ridder
- Joined
- Apr 25, 2008
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I would like to start a thread about something that’s been on my mind for a long time as an Idealist; as far as childhood, actually. I don’t know if any of you are familiar with the Old Testament story of David and Goliath, and how David became a very dear friend of the king's son Jonathan. I like the description we have of their meeting:
"And it came to pass, when [David] had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul."
(1 Samuel 18:1)
Having read the Old Testament many, many times, I don’t think it would be extravagant to say Jonathan is INFJ and David NFP. This would be a very special case of idealist-idealist soul-to-soul friendship. We see later that the friendship was truly mutual when Jonathan is killed in battle and David writes a lament about it:
"I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan; very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women." (2 Samuel 1:26)
I have sometimes read that Jonathan and David were homosexuals, but I believe we are dealing with idealistic soul-mating here. As David himself describes it, it was a connection "passing the love of women," in other words, a love beyond Eros.
This deep friendship has nothing to do with Eros. I remember reading in Keirsey’s Please Understand Me that idealists will sometimes value friendship above romance and seek it rather than romance.
It is definitely true for me, and also for an ENFP friend of mine who could care less about romance as well. We both have tried to understand this.
How insulted I was when my ESTJ mother would misunderstand me and suspect I was a lesbian because I cared very much about a female friend, sometimes. It has nothing to do with Eros for me! Do you know what I mean? What are your experiences with this?
If idealists seek mating that is soul-to-soul, this can happen with anybody. A child, a husband, a friend, a teacher, no?
"And it came to pass, when [David] had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul."
(1 Samuel 18:1)
Having read the Old Testament many, many times, I don’t think it would be extravagant to say Jonathan is INFJ and David NFP. This would be a very special case of idealist-idealist soul-to-soul friendship. We see later that the friendship was truly mutual when Jonathan is killed in battle and David writes a lament about it:
"I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan; very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women." (2 Samuel 1:26)
I have sometimes read that Jonathan and David were homosexuals, but I believe we are dealing with idealistic soul-mating here. As David himself describes it, it was a connection "passing the love of women," in other words, a love beyond Eros.
This deep friendship has nothing to do with Eros. I remember reading in Keirsey’s Please Understand Me that idealists will sometimes value friendship above romance and seek it rather than romance.
It is definitely true for me, and also for an ENFP friend of mine who could care less about romance as well. We both have tried to understand this.
How insulted I was when my ESTJ mother would misunderstand me and suspect I was a lesbian because I cared very much about a female friend, sometimes. It has nothing to do with Eros for me! Do you know what I mean? What are your experiences with this?
If idealists seek mating that is soul-to-soul, this can happen with anybody. A child, a husband, a friend, a teacher, no?