lunalum
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I have found that lately it's been necessary for me to think of cognitive 'functions' only as cognitive 'types,' meaning that they are defined by an overall character or style of the person, and the sorts of things that bring them energy vs. the things they simply don't acknowledge as much because in the end it just doesn't have that certain energy boost.
Problem is, I've picked up from the people here that the cognitive function model as things that actually function in them actually fits them. So perhaps cognitive types and cognitive functions can go together after all.
But then why is it that certain things that certain things that are part of my cognitive type don't appear to function in me?
And what keeps occuring to me is that to have cognitive functions that one has to be cognitively functional in the first place.
What happens when a Ne type doesn't have the mental energy to summon tons of possibilities?
Or a Ti type cannot focus enough to work out the miniscule inconsistencies?
Or a Fe type who loses track of social nuances?
Or an Si type cannot remember the standards?
Or an Ni type that can't quite reach that moment of convergence?
Or a Te type who is constantly forgetting which step goes next?
Or a Fi type who cannot quite grasp how they feel?
Or an Se type whose ability to create that immediate impact is lacking?
Does it make sense to call someone an Se user because they are attentive to the environment and its details but blank in thought most of the time rather than able to think of 50 fanciful things at once, even if such person is a Ne type because of a preference/energy boost from such fanciful things at the rare times it happens and wanting the environment and current details of reality to just leave them alone? Is this person really classified best as an xSxP?
Seems pretty ridiculous, especially since it makes this seem like Se is a sort of lack of cognitive process, but then I hear on the forum a lot of the time from xNxPs being unaware of their surroundings and being able to think of tons of things at once, and even associate it with 'mental quickness'. But can these things really have to do with type if there is a certain cognitive dysfunction at work where the person is involuntarily blank for long periods of time?
Consequence: when I take the quizzes about how much I 'use' a certain process, I can't answer that part at all, particularly with Ne and Ti. I still strongly relate to them somehow, but usage? And then of course when I hear of people on here constantly associating the type with thinking of so many things and so quickly, and so deeply, it's kind of disorienting.
But then I still get some sense of relation in what remains of my thoughts that is still a sort of dysfunction, like how it is almost impossible for me to keep this topic on the same thing that I had in mind when I started out typing it My hands and mind are far too lazy to actually describe 95% of what comes to me on this topic. The topic just keeps coming back and I wonder if it's valid for me to stick to the cognitive type technique to not get so wrapped up in the messy reality of cognitive capacities. Or perhaps find a way to assess type by patterns only in their dysfunction?
Can preference and function really be fully united?
Problem is, I've picked up from the people here that the cognitive function model as things that actually function in them actually fits them. So perhaps cognitive types and cognitive functions can go together after all.
But then why is it that certain things that certain things that are part of my cognitive type don't appear to function in me?
And what keeps occuring to me is that to have cognitive functions that one has to be cognitively functional in the first place.
What happens when a Ne type doesn't have the mental energy to summon tons of possibilities?
Or a Ti type cannot focus enough to work out the miniscule inconsistencies?
Or a Fe type who loses track of social nuances?
Or an Si type cannot remember the standards?
Or an Ni type that can't quite reach that moment of convergence?
Or a Te type who is constantly forgetting which step goes next?
Or a Fi type who cannot quite grasp how they feel?
Or an Se type whose ability to create that immediate impact is lacking?
Does it make sense to call someone an Se user because they are attentive to the environment and its details but blank in thought most of the time rather than able to think of 50 fanciful things at once, even if such person is a Ne type because of a preference/energy boost from such fanciful things at the rare times it happens and wanting the environment and current details of reality to just leave them alone? Is this person really classified best as an xSxP?
Seems pretty ridiculous, especially since it makes this seem like Se is a sort of lack of cognitive process, but then I hear on the forum a lot of the time from xNxPs being unaware of their surroundings and being able to think of tons of things at once, and even associate it with 'mental quickness'. But can these things really have to do with type if there is a certain cognitive dysfunction at work where the person is involuntarily blank for long periods of time?
Consequence: when I take the quizzes about how much I 'use' a certain process, I can't answer that part at all, particularly with Ne and Ti. I still strongly relate to them somehow, but usage? And then of course when I hear of people on here constantly associating the type with thinking of so many things and so quickly, and so deeply, it's kind of disorienting.
But then I still get some sense of relation in what remains of my thoughts that is still a sort of dysfunction, like how it is almost impossible for me to keep this topic on the same thing that I had in mind when I started out typing it My hands and mind are far too lazy to actually describe 95% of what comes to me on this topic. The topic just keeps coming back and I wonder if it's valid for me to stick to the cognitive type technique to not get so wrapped up in the messy reality of cognitive capacities. Or perhaps find a way to assess type by patterns only in their dysfunction?
Can preference and function really be fully united?