[ENTP] ENTPs - courses/subjects in HS & college, & preferred professions

[Kaizer]

Amen! Anthropology...the gift that keeps on giving.

If he shows a consistent interest in the sciences, it may be supposed that that is the direction in which he will continue, but as others have said, keeping things as broad as possible is the best approach. Once you start to feel too tightly trapped in a subject, it's over, so it's best to find something that is broad enough to be applied to a wide array of real-life situations.

tks

 

[ThatGirl]

yes Bio is right there and in fact bio-chem is something he has a propensity towards for more than one reason.

the decision is to be made at this stage cause of his school's requirements and restrictions. He'll compensate and buttress the shortfall for a broad enough base now and later before college.

I also have recently been thinking about my career path. Been tumbling around the Pathology idea for its practicality as I did not go to college right away after high school.



Bio Chem gave me chills

 

[Kaizer]

I also have recently been thinking about my career path. Been tumbling around the Pathology idea for its practicality as I did not go to college right away after high school.

he prefers chem to bio and it must be inherent in some way

Bio Chem gave me chills

yep, dry as hell

 

[Snowey1210]

Like other ENTPs science does fasinate me, particularly with regards to biology and psychology. I like psychology in particular as it's all about observing cause and response which is something I tend to do naturally anyway.

In the end I decided on a career as a primary school teacher as it incorporates a broad range of different subject areas, and encourages the creation of new exciting lesson ideas etc. No doubt this won't be the be all and end all of my professional career, but it provides me with a sound base from which I can further my knowledge in the biological, and psychological fields.

 

[miss fortune]

I graduated with 3 majors and 4 minors because I wanted to study everything.

Unfortunatly, my advisor and parents decided that 3 majors was enough and I had to eventually graduate and such.

I studied political science/sociology/spanish with minors in italian/portuguese/economics and psychology The fact that almost everything I studied was interweaving with everything else I studied made it signifigantly more interesting to me- all of the social sciences just look at the same things from different angles while all of my languages studied were related to one another as well.

Basically, I'd gone to school thinking that I wanted to go to law school and studying political science and that just led me astray into studying ALL of the social sciences

I wanna be Van Wilder!

 

[tinkerbell]

for me, I did business (I also qulified as a nurse prior to that). The main thing is a subject that can keep options open for them. Something that allows them to move between organisations or diferent jobs/roles.

Lis

 

[garbage]

I studied political science/sociology/spanish with minors in italian/portuguese/economics and psychology The fact that almost everything I studied was interweaving with everything else I studied made it signifigantly more interesting to me- all of the social sciences just look at the same things from different angles while all of my languages studied were related to one another as well.

This is how I approached my education, too.. people wonder how I'm able to tie my education in electrical engineering, systems engineering, and computer science in with my interest in psychology, business, and economics, but it actually works pretty well for me!

The biggest problem I had in my education was in deciding what I wanted to do without "wasting" course credits or even an entire degree. I became very interested in psychology and economics.. after having just graduated with a degree in electrical engineering. I wanted to find a way to not completely invalidate my original training in my career path, but I also knew that I wanted to work in psychology. Systems engineering, which touches on management, decisions, and entire systems, was a good fit for me, and I received my master's degree in it. Now, I'm pursuing a Ph.D. in computer science, focusing on cognitive science. Thankfully, much of my systems engineering coursework transferred over, so I didn't have to start "from scratch" with an undergraduate degree in computer science. I'll receive enough experience in psychology and other interest areas that I might not need to pursue a degree in them.

I'd always thought of myself as having several master's degrees rather than a Ph.D., but I guess a "mature" part of the ENTP in me realized that I needed to work with the system, which values a Ph.D. much more than multiple master's degrees, rather than wasting time rallying against it. To that end, I'm pursuing a Ph.D. in a way that I can still get the education I want but I'm also cooperating with the research world. (I do stand against the system in other ways, such as being the first non-Ph.D. to have a research position at our research center.. )

My education might not be complete, either. I'm also thinking of an MBA after I receive my Ph.D. .. but we'll see how I feel in two years or so.


As far as where all this has led me.. I work as a researcher in modeling and simulation. We touch pretty much everything, and that's the way I like it. Aside from the different domains of projects that I've touched (NASA vehicle design, human behavior modeling, transportation optimization, training simulations, ...), I also touch on different roles within those projects (programming, project coordination, management, consulting, writing documentation, teaching, mentoring, ...). To me, this job is perfect, because I can get my hands in a lot of different areas and roles.

There are projects that can use just one aspect of my education, and there are some that can use more than one. For example.. training simulators for pilots are a complex system with a lot of software and electronics hardware requirements.. not to mention that they need to be ergonomically designed, collect the appropriate data about the pilot, and avoid negative training.

One of my biggest hobbies growing up was programming. Especially games.. I've been programming computer games since I was about six years old. It took me a while to find my way back to that realm in my career, but modeling and simulation has a lot of overlap with gaming. So, if there's anything in particular that your 13-year-old has expressed a continual interest in, it might be worth supporting that while seeing where else it can lead.

I'm not sure whether to call myself an engineer, a scientist, or a psychologist when people ask me what I do. I either have to just say I'm a researcher or explain my entire educational path

 

[digesthisickness]

formal education: psychology, sociology (but aim is criminal psychology), office specialist.

informal education (things in which you don't get a degree - you learn by 'trial by fire', and i've logged more than enough hours to reach the standard of 'professional' - meaning, i opened, owned, and operated a business in that profession):

medical billing, tattoo artist, sign-maker, dancer, portrait painter

i'm sure there are more, but i rarely think about it, so these are all that are coming to mind at the moment.

 

[ThatGirl]

he prefers chem to bio and it must be inherent in some way



yep, dry as hell

What does dry mean? ok I finally asked.



I can't believe how much you guys like the social sciences.

I hated sociology

 

[digesthisickness]

What does dry mean? ok I finally asked.



I can't believe how much you guys like the social sciences.

I hated sociology

i assumed dry meant boring.

also, i despised sociology classes. i only took them because by taking just two of those in addition to what i was already going to take, i'd get a degree in that too.

 

[G-Virus]

Has anyone else come to the realization that a bachelors ain't worth shit.

I graduated magna cum laude and all this other honors shit in Biochemistry to do narcotics piss tests for you fuckers. AGGHHHHH

 

[Kaizer]

What does dry mean? ok I finally asked.

Inferior Fe here... but by 'dry' I think I was referring to 'non-organic' chem being boring seemingly pedantic and lacking in creativity thats oh so N centric spearheaded by T. ever pipette such that the saline or basic solution goes into your mouth? that sorta dry and cutting aka non-interesting/boring.... dry

I can't believe how much you guys like the social sciences.

I hated sociology

same here, but then the link between math & economics, and economics and non-profit work & large systems, makes the link between social and political science, and the satisfaction of the deep intrinsic and wholesome combination of the lot of them elicit very intriguing & altruistic reactions and an attraction towards the social sciences.

 

[Jack Flak]

I graduated magna cum laude and all this other honors shit in Biochemistry to do narcotics piss tests for you fuckers. AGGHHHHH

My favorite part of the whole situation is that you could've been trained to do that in three hours, but the degree makes you "worthy" of the training.

 

[G-Virus]

My favorite part of the whole situation is that you could've been trained to do that in three hours, but the degree makes you "worthy" of the training.

Make that 45 minutes. I could teach it to my five year old brother. Everything is so fucking automated.

 

[Kaizer]

My favorite part of the whole situation is that you could've been trained to do that in three hours, but the degree makes you "worthy" of the training.

social steel framework constructs limit and even debilitate capability capacity and input. also, whats with retirement ages?

 

[ThatGirl]

Inferior Fe here... but by 'dry' I think I was referring to 'non-organic' chem being boring seemingly pedantic and lacking in creativity thats oh so N centric spearheaded by T. ever pipette such that the saline or basic solution goes into your mouth? that sorta dry and cutting aka non-interesting/boring.... dry


same here, but then the link between math & economics, and economics and non-profit work & large systems, makes the link between social and political science, and the satisfaction of the deep intrinsic and wholesome combination of the lot of them elicit very intriguing & altruistic reactions and an attraction towards the social sciences.

Thought it was something like that. Here is the thing I have worked in the public industry for a while now and am starting to realize that the older I get the more mental time I need. I love people and a night out at the club will have me jumping up dancing in the morning. But when you are in an industry that relies on your ability to be ON all the time, it makes it hard for those typical NT moments when I am twirling things around mentally.

After analysis I decided that having a career that would satisfy my need for mental meditation (whatever that may consist of), such as concrete sciences, would serve me better. You can always be creative when you reached the top of your knowledge as to how to create and form new things outside of the job, what happens if I do this sort of thing. And that leaves me with the ability to run with my extrovertedness in my personal life. Instead of taking time out of my personal life to think and contemplate.

Does that make any sense?

Maybe I am an introvert.


I am sure that the social sciences are fascinating in their own way. I only took one sociology class and hated studying the groups. I am much more fascinated with the group anomaly. I found group interactions too predictable to hold my interest.

 

[G-Virus]

Inferior Fe here... but by 'dry' I think I was referring to 'non-organic' chem being boring seemingly pedantic and lacking in creativity thats oh so N centric spearheaded by T. ever pipette such that the saline or basic solution goes into your mouth? that sorta dry and cutting aka non-interesting/boring.... dry.

I <3 O-Chem, it seems to rock my socks off. Hell all of chemistry makes me drool. I love chemistry so much, that if it was a girl, I would ask her pops for her hand in marriage. You know how every one was doing the assigned lab in O-chem lab, me hell no, I would get that done and mess around on the more interesting things.

Sadly, the only profitable thing you can now do with a bachelors in Chem/Biochem is make meth in your bathtub, or some extacy out of sassafras oil.

 

[ThatGirl]

I <3 O-Chem, it seems to rock my socks off. Hell all of chemistry makes me drool. I love chemistry so much, that if it was a girl, I would ask her pops for her hand in marriage. You know how every one was doing the assigned lab in O-chem lab, me hell no, I would get that done and mess around on the more interesting things.

Sadly, the only profitable thing you can now do with a bachelors in Chem/Biochem is make meth in your bathtub, or some extacy out of sassafras oil.

So if you had chosen an alternative path along the same lines that was more practical and usefull, lucrative, challenging, stimulating, what would you pick?

 

[G-Virus]

well to be honest, I only chose that major for medical school. I didn't even want to go to college in the first place, so when I realized that I had to do something in life, I decided on medicine. Now I am just waiting on interviews and such and then an acceptance letter in the near future hopefully.

 

[garbage]

Has anyone else come to the realization that a bachelors ain't worth shit.

Around here, a bachelors in engineering, and only a bachelors in engineering, is the only thing that'll net you a job. Just.. a job. It takes an education or lots of experience past that to get any sort of choice in what you might want to do.

Engineers in this town seem to think that all engineers can do everything, and only engineers can do anything. It's a horrible mindset that leads to horrible management, horrible administration, horrible logistics, and horrible everything else that engineers can't do.. which it so turns out is a lot!