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ygolo

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^The above was practically inevitable.

But as I said in my previous post, the only way past is through:

Software engineers will need to learn to differentiate and communicate that differentiation--possibly even create whole new job categories to pave the way.
 

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I have been saying loudly that this sort of thing has been coming for at least a year.


The reason open source AI needs to exist is for software engineers to learn the new skills.

The reason startups need to have the ability to try things, discover needs and make new products, is to find out what the new jobs will be.

We just don't know.

Most startups will fail, but the successful ones will create things we haven't even imagined yet.


I think a civilian labor corp is a wonderful idea.

But the speaker is also woefully pessimistic about what the benefits are. The technology isn't one thing.

The fixed pie mindset is still a horrible place for a people to get stuck.

This year will be a year of pain due to massive job loss. In the US, it will happen under Trump.

Will he, of all people, be forced to make a civilian labor corp?
 

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These are some supposed new jobs that software engineers will transition to:

If you don't have affordable options to learn these skills (e.g. open source - which is usually free), how are you supposed to transition?

The cloud in particular, to learn new skills required using the big three. For anything substantial, they can become quite expensive.

Edit:

The beginning of the year is software engineers. By the end of the year, it'll be a lot more roles.

Lowering the bar for new firms is a simple and politically expedient way to get to the job creation part of the cycle.
 
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Jevon's paradox originally applied to energy. To me, it's one part of what a demand curve could look like--lower the price for something and the demand for it at that price will go up.

I think the cost of compute clearly shows the same paradox.

Ultimately, to get through the avalanche of AI related job losses starting this year, we need to try to find each job category exhibit Jevon's paradox.

Example:
For example, the number of software engineers you'll need for any given new piece of software will be significantly less. Thus new software will be reducing in price.

To make Jevon's paradox happen in this case(increased demand for software at the lower cost), we'll need to find new use cases that a lower price can bring.

Imagine, for instance, a system where the end-user/beneficiary gets software written on-demand for their particular use--mass customization of software.
 

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The global south will not be repressed as far as AI is concerned, as long as organizations like DeepSeek exist.

 

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There are those who suspect that Ben Franklin is America's first Troll. The man was allegedly prone to acts of well written mischief.
Well written mischief is quite necessary. The status quo decides what's "mischief."



 

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Well written mischief is quite necessary. The status quo decides what's "mischief."



He also knew how to carry on a rivalry past his rival's natural death. That takes a special kind of dedication.
 

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He also knew how to carry on a rivalry past his rival's natural death. That takes a special kind of dedication.
Then he's human and in-line with almost all people with long standing rivalries.

Show me the saints who were otherwise.

Purity tests used to be fairly limited.

Have we placed puritanical testing as a guide on the judgment of historical figures?
 

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Then he's human and in-line with almost all people with long standing rivalries.

Show me the saints who were otherwise.

Purity tests used to be fairly limited.

Have we placed puritanical testing as a guide on the judgment of historical figures?
I think you might be looking for an argument where I was just sharing trivia. I found it something interesting about Ben Franklin. Ben Franklin was mentioned; that was the random trivia the slot machine of my memory landed on. If you're looking for an argument, might I suggest you'll find the Baccarat table more interesting than the slots. Tbh I'm not even certain why your mentioning purity tests?
 

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I think you might be looking for an argument where I was just sharing trivia. I found it something interesting about Ben Franklin. Ben Franklin was mentioned; that was the random trivia the slot machine of my memory landed on. If you're looking for an argument, might I suggest you'll find the Baccarat table more interesting than the slots. Tbh I'm not even certain why your mentioning purity tests?
I'll take your word for it being trivia.

I have seen a steady drum beat in all forms of media that is steadily anti-tech, dripping with misunderstanding, willful ignorance, and a large helping of xenophobia and racism (especially against Asians in the US).

So, I will constantly feel the need to defend technology as a concept, and fight for technologists and their goals as legitimate.

It's nothing personal. I will react like that to anything that I perceive as anti-technology as a concept. It'll be the real end of humanity. We're not all hunter-gatheres still. We're not all farmers. In the long arch, we're better off now than in the dark ages.

But the current media environment might as well be actively trying to have my family starve to death or be beaten up for my skin color.

The mention of purity comes from the fascination many people have in looking at only the bad in someone. You'll find it in everyone.

There's no finding good. Even the most flawed people can contribute good. I used to believe our systems allowed for that.

But the current media (and let me be clear, it's the decisions of the content creators and hosts primarily) does the exact opposite.
 

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I understand wanting to shore up a nation's capabilities.


But my biggest concern is the concentration of power in a few companies.

 

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It's not the technology itself that takes jobs, it's people who think the technology is good enough to replace people that take jobs:

To be fair though, a lot of enterprise software is crap already.
 

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Operator is too expensive for me. I'll probably end up figuring out how to make open-source work for agents.

The tiered society begins now, unless some one figures out how to package open-source agents better.

Edit: Not that it isn't tiered now. But what'll follow after this moment without an open-source version, will make the guided age look downright egalitarian

Edit 2: Here seem to be the open source attempts (very lacking):

Edit 3: https://www.jace.ai/pricing

One of the other closed models seems to have a free-tier. The yearly version may also be affordable. But, I have little idea what you get, or how trustworthy it is.
 
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A lot of the reactions to DeepSeek R1 is the exact opposite of what I would expect.

Certainly, this shows that the random restrictions on the latest chips is nonsense.

It certainly also shows China is very competitive with, if not ahead of, the US and Europe in many respects.

Being able to save energy is definitely a good thing. Also, let's not forget Jevon's paradox.

The "self-play" approach of DeepSeek R1 zero shows that copyright is less of an issue or central to generative AI.
 
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So, it seems to me that the DeepSeek methods worked. I doubt it's a psyop or that they used compute they weren't supposed to have.

Edit: Or we'll find out soon. I'm thinking of joining the effort.
 

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It's been my experience that a lot of gen AI systems are good at demos, but still not production worthy. Though, I suppose, some are.

A lot if predictive AI have been in production for decades and even in things like washing machines.

I'm also annoyed by how bad closed captioning and AI voice assistants are.
 
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