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I am afraid that in Europe this is more complicated topic. Especially since out of all three right wing groups in EU parliament all 3 of them have women as the most powerful figure of the block. Therefore in Europe this logic at this point doesn't fully add up.
It reminds me of some of the flavors of feminism we had in the states when George W. Bush was president, honestly. Anyway, I wonder which group Mussolini's granddaughter (a former reality TV star) is in.
 

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It reminds me of some of the flavors of feminism we had in the states when George W. Bush was president, honestly. Anyway, I wonder which group Mussolini's granddaughter (a former reality TV star) is in.

I am not sure but I would place my bet that it is ECR at this point, which is the strongest block in Italy and it is hard right. The alternative is ID that is in coalition with ECR in Italy. I mean she is in the political game for a while so she probably changed her party over time. Especially since Italian politics is fast and messy.


I mean I said what I said because many are constantly pushing this idea that all women are liberal minded. What is simply false. Personally I lived under the rule of conservative women. However I never lived under the left leaning women, since the party never nominated a woman for top job. Brutal but true. Take look at UK, Margaret Thatcher, Theresa May, Liz Truss. Female Labor PMs ? Zero, if I got it right. Germany: right had Merkel, while left had no women at the top. First and only woman on the top of EU thus far: conservative.


I know that for Americans this is hard since in US party politics is also gender based politics, but not everyone lives like that.
 

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But you are forgetting one thing, the women are turning towards the radical party since they are promising to cut ALL immigration. Not just the legal one.
You and I are having a hard time communicating on this issue. But let me say this, IMO women are turning to ANY party that will promise to get immigration under control (be it all or just illegal). Is there any party other than the far right promising to do this? None that I have seen.
Yes because the right has historically been very pro women's rights.
I note your sarcasm, however, you are correct, the right has NOT historically been very pro women's rights, but now women are turning to them (at least in France, which is the article I am commenting on). Why do you think that is? Have French women suddenly forgotten history or is there some other reason? I have stated my opinion, what do you think is going on?
 

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You and I are having a hard time communicating on this issue. But let me say this, IMO women are turning to ANY party that will promise to get immigration under control (be it all or just illegal). Is there any party other than the far right promising to do this? None that I have seen.

That is exactly what I am saying. What is reaction to your repeated claim that "illegal immigration" is once again showing it's ugly face. While from the start I am trying to explain to you that the story is even wider than that (and that it evidently involves legal migration).

The increasing amount of people wants to see this cut out of the equation. What in return is causing massive political shifts for which the establishment is poorly prepared. And now we have what we have out in the field.
 

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Russia unleashes ‘massive attack’ on Ukraine energy facilities

Germany’s Habeck blames China’s Russia support for worsening Berlin-Beijing relations

Argentina's Milei to receive award in Hamburg, Germany

Sweden approves controversial US defense deal



Germany: Far-right AfD's gains driving immigration debate

While this is the drama of elections that is awaiting us in the fall. Since there are plenty of regional elections in Ex eastern Germany and there AfD came first in EU elections. What makes a potential point when AfD is starting to get considerable governing power. What is evident political crossroad for the country (and that is probably an understatement).

In other words if Le Pen and Farage do well in incoming days you can expect that this will spill over as well.
 

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France legislative elections 2024


The party of Le Pen will evidently come as the largest one (black). Especially since first past the post mechanism favors the party on top. The second will evidently be the coalition of the left wing parties (red) that is putting out fairly populist and anti system campaign. Then there is the Macron's centrist block (yellow) that should lose huge amount of seats. While smaller right wing parties like Republicans or REC are losing what little ground they have left, since first part the post system is working against them. Therefore their voters will go where their vote will matter, what is ether Le Pen or Macron's block. After all when the leader of Republicans said he will support Le Pen it kinda become pointless to vote for his party.


If the polls are even remotely true we are going for complete system shock.
 

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Von der Leyen, Meloni and the battle for Brussels top jobs: What’s next?

However all of the above only complicates things in the big picture. Since Ursula needs to be confirmed in the EU parliament and the 3 mainstream blocks have only about 40 seat majority. Plus it is perfectly obvious that not everyone will vote for her (the leaving Czech guy is the obvious symptom of that). However you only have one shoot in the parliament and if that fails the system has to search for another candidate. However if certain parties leave mainstream it is coming into the question will any kind of mainstream majority be possible. What brings into the loop the Greens, hard right and some independents. However that makes things unpredictable. Especially since many of those people are unacceptable to various parts of the mainstream. Therefore someone evidently wouldn't get what they want out of all this, the only real question is who exactly will that be.

Or if you want it in pure American: the seats in the parliament are basically Electoral votes and you must gather 361 of them to take the top job.


Von der Leyen feels the squeeze as EU liberals implode

And now we came into the position I was talking about. Since this is opening serious questions if the wider center actually has the majority in the parliament. While as it seems for now the answer is probably "No". What is opening about 100 other questions of what the future will be.
 

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The French election risks torpedoing the global order

Macron warns of ‘civil war’ if far left or far right wins

France be warned: You could become Italy after the election

France deepens military ties with Germany, Poland ahead of risky snap election




France legislative elections 2024

It seems there is complete meltdown of nerves in France. Since this is basically the biggest crossroad for the country in many decades. In other words the far right is leading and it seems that it's growth rate is also the strongest of all major players in the game. After all if you go too far with scaring people with something that can actually lead to just the opposite outcome. What is perhaps exactly why the far right is reaching numbers where it could perhaps have the majority in the parliament. Especially if some smaller right wing parties support them.

Next Sunday literally all eyes will be on France.
 

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...so the world follows...

Not really, the world is doing that for a long long time.
However no one really expected that so good student such as US will do it as well.





Therefore here is one example from about 7 years ago.
Plus it can be said that Russian hand can be traced to what happened in that video. Since just like in Ukraine the pro Russian government was ousted and what happened in that video was basically the counter attack in physical form. While the ousted pro Russian leader got the asylum in Orban's Hungary and I think he is still there. I mean that is the same Orban that is being friends with Trump's inner circle.
 

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After all if you go too far with scaring people with something that can actually lead to just the opposite outcome. What is perhaps exactly why the far right is reaching numbers where it could perhaps have the majority in the parliament. Especially if some smaller right wing parties support them.

Next Sunday literally all eyes will be on France.
I'll say. So much fearmongering in those Politico articles I had to do a double check of their bias ratings. My impression of Politico is that it is fairly centrist, but there was definitely a lot of left wing bias in those samples. It seems Politico is given a 'left-lean' bias these days.

The center/center-left need to stop doing a poor job of governing and then rely on painting their right of center opponents as boogie-men. It's pretty much the Democrats entire election strategy and it appears Macron is starting to use the same play book. Of course, it might be true, but if they would do a better job of governing, they would not empower these potential disruptors to the extent they have. Then again, perhaps disruption is required to get governance back on track.
 
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