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I'm watching but only because I have seen everything up to this point. The next season is the last.
Angela Kang has done a decent job trying to salvage what Nicotero and Gimple killed but too little too late. 2.5 long seasons of the Saviors was 1.5 seasons too much.
FTWD is definitely a different show now. I quit early on.
Maybe. It's hard to quibble over after the Mistake That Was the Saviors, where Negan was a sadistic drag but they just rehashed the same plot over more than two seasons without making any progress. Compared to that, the Whispers went by pretty quickly.
Again, another case where the villain is far more interesting than the lead cast. Samantha Morton was a great actress long before she reached TWD and she was typically mesmerizing there too. The Beta stuff was kind of a let-down, more of the same old... but at least they didn't let it fester long.
I haven't watched the Daryl/Dog episode yet and I guess a new one airs tonight. You can tell I'm thrilled over having new episodes to watch.
Honestly, the problem is that they aren't doing anything interesting. it's the exact same show it was years ago by the time they got to Alexandria for a few months. There is nothing new going on, nothing of real interest. I don't remember being very excited over this show since Season 3-4. The Governor bit could have been interesting but was mishandled as well, in general. I remember really liking Season 2.
I'm watching but only because I have seen everything up to this point. The next season is the last.
Angela Kang has done a decent job trying to salvage what Nicotero and Gimple killed but too little too late. 2.5 long seasons of the Saviors was 1.5 seasons too much.
This is almost exactly my feelings towards the show as well: I'm too far in to just quit. If my intent was to drop the show, the perfect time to do so would've been through the agonizingly drawn out Savior's arc. I've survived too much awfulness surrounding the show (the myriad of different writers that came along throughout its tenure and kept altering the show's secret sauce to better fit their individual palette) to cut tail and run as it finally starts to redeem itself a bit. That said, I'm nowhere near as invested in the characters as I once was, and it is no longer the 'must watch' experience it used to be. I'll catch up on this current season at some point, though.
Compared to the Saviors, The Whisperers' didn't feel dragged out so much as it just seemed to kind of end abruptly in anticlimactic fashion. Towards the end of that arc, as certain things happened, I was just like "...huh. OK."
Compared to the Saviors, The Whisperers' didn't feel dragged out so much as it just seemed to kind of end abruptly in anticlimactic fashion. Towards the end of that arc, as certain things happened, I was just like "...huh. OK."
I think for me, they felt really dangerous in season 9, but the following season they just felt old hat. Similar to the Saviours who were scarier when we only heard rumors or caught glimpses, then turned into generic baddies after Negan showed up
Obviously it doesn't much matter anymore, but they needed to rethink their story format and how to approach this whole apocalypse thing, including not assuming an entire season but just actually having a story to tell and then telling it only the necessary amount of episodes.
It feels way too much like they either were writing open-ended or writing to fill [x] episodes per season.
IOW, they should have approached it more as a limited series and only put out a season when they had something to really say.
Just watched the first episode of the new season. Yeah, I can't do this anymore -- I think I'm done. This show is just a repetitive series of conflicts with opposing groups, with each one supposedly more menacing and threatening than the last. They didn't even bother to have any sort of setup this time before bringing on the next big bad.
Compared to the Saviors, The Whisperers' didn't feel dragged out so much as it just seemed to kind of end abruptly in anticlimactic fashion. Towards the end of that arc, as certain things happened, I was just like "...huh. OK." It all felt very inconsequential, really.
I had truly wished that the dead had developed a way to communicate , when they introduced the whispers and we were t clear on what was happening, I was like that would be so bad ass and change the game .
I had truly wished that the dead had developed a way to communicate , when they introduced the whispers and we were t clear on what was happening, I was like that would be so bad ass and change the game .
It seemed like they flirted with that idea briefly throughout The Whispers arc. The walkers are a complete non-factor as it currently stands in the series.
Thinking it over some more this morning, I think my biggest issue with the show is that the plot seems to just be meandering along the same theme of opposing tribes, with no real overall end-game in sight. The people within the show seem to have completely given up on any sort of prospect of a cure, and thus everyone is just surviving day to day with no real purpose outside of that. There is just nothing to feel excited or hopeful about with this show in terms of new development, and [MENTION=7]Totenkindly[/MENTION] was spot on in suggesting it should've been a limited series.
It is very clear the writers really have nothing new to add, yet the show just kinda keeps going on.
It seemed like they flirted with that idea briefly throughout The Whispers arc. The walkers are a complete non-factor as it currently stands in the series.
Welp I stopped watching I think at the end of Season 10? Because I just got tired of trying to keep up with a show that felt pointless and that I no longer cared about.
I did tape the finale last night, so after skimming through a large synopsis of what I missed (honestly not much of it gelled for me), I am watching that now before everything is spoiled. I have no real expectation, except just for being relieved it is over and how it should have been ended years ago. The current showrunner might be one of the best (after all those misfires over the years), but it has kind of outlasted itself and just repeated itself.
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Okay, that's over at least -- although it looks like they are just splintering into a bunch of mini-shows to create a "walking dead" universe. I hope that goes better for them. Maybe focusing on one or two people in a series can enable a show to do other things.
Most of the episode felt kinda the same (lots of action, but who cares because it's all stuff we've seen before?). A few people die. Most don't. I also have a superficial gripe -- did I miss something, as most of the female characters now apparently have make-up artists? Perfect eyebrows, beautifully shades foundation and blush, eye shadow perfectly blended. WTF? Is this a survivalist show or not? Those colored-in, perfect shaped eyebrows are just crazy. It even made the show feel like MORE of a soap opera.
However, they spent the latter 30 minutes doing wrap-up/close-out stuff, and that worked rather nicely. There was a well-awaited moment between two characters that was spot-on. They had a nice character wind-down for one of the other characters that was touching. The first two "endings" also were really moving, to be honest, although then it just got too Return of the King-y and the other two endings were a little much of kind of deadened the impact of the quieter moments.
There were also some funny "fake" commercials throughout the episode, with old cast members in zombie form touting regular modern-world products. Yeah, that was kinda cute.
Still, for all that could have gone wrong in the episode, it was hopeful, and gently upbeat, and really harkened back to what made the show special without completely cribbing off other show endings. Angela Kang did her best to run out a slowly dying show in a thoughtful way and it was at least coherent under her watch.
For spoiler territories:
I think the death count was Luke and some chick I didn't know, and then of course Rosita. Rosita was the touching death. yeah, we've seen people slowly die when they've suffered a bite -- and hers was in a place where an amputation wasn't possible -- but this was actually a nice strategy because she could watch the happy moments at the end with the wisdom of a slowly dying woman, appreciating all the people she loved, and then she had a quiet, meaningful death surrounded by everyone she loved.
The meaningful conversation was between Maggie and Negan. I missed the last 20-30 episodes or so (?), but this was beautifully done. Laurie Cohan was great. And they made the decision that Negan would not talk, just listen, and convey his emotions via facial expression and body language -- which, considering Negan likes to talk as much as Deadpool does, really conveyed his sincerity here. Yes, it was totally the right approach. She's been put in an impossible spot and I think she has been true to the spirit of her long-dead father as well, she's trying to show grace and finally accepts Negan is truly sorry and has shown his value many times over... but every time she sees him, she sees Glenn dying, and hearing Negan mocking them all, and she can't bear to remember Glenn that way because Glenn deserved so much better. So she can't forgive him, but she is trying just as Negan has, and he needs to simply take her where she is -- whether she has an okay reaction to him some days and a bad reaction other days. It was such a mature, realistic, fair approach rather than easy forgiveness or stubborn rejection. They might have screwed up some things in this show, but Maggie's response to Negan seems to have been really well-handled.
Carol and Daryl reaffirm their relationship before Darrell leaves again -- and even say the love word -- but it feels deeper than romantic love. Again, they avoided a misstep. They finally said what we all could tell all along, without cheapening it into something romantic. It was really nice.
Welp I stopped watching I think at the end of Season 10? Because I just got tired of trying to keep up with a show that felt pointless and that I no longer cared about.
I did tape the finale last night, so after skimming through a large synopsis of what I missed (honestly not much of it gelled for me), I am watching that now before everything is spoiled. I have no real expectation, except just for being relieved it is over and how it should have been ended years ago. The current showrunner might be one of the best (after all those misfires over the years), but it has kind of outlasted itself and just repeated itself.
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Okay, that's over at least -- although it looks like they are just splintering into a bunch of mini-shows to create a "walking dead" universe. I hope that goes better for them. Maybe focusing on one or two people in a series can enable a show to do other things.
Most of the episode felt kinda the same (lots of action, but who cares because it's all stuff we've seen before?). A few people die. Most don't. I also have a superficial gripe -- did I miss something, as most of the female characters now apparently have make-up artists? Perfect eyebrows, beautifully shades foundation and blush, eye shadow perfectly blended. WTF? Is this a survivalist show or not? Those colored-in, perfect shaped eyebrows are just crazy. It even made the show feel like MORE of a soap opera.
However, they spent the latter 30 minutes doing wrap-up/close-out stuff, and that worked rather nicely. There was a well-awaited moment between two characters that was spot-on. They had a nice character wind-down for one of the other characters that was touching. The first two "endings" also were really moving, to be honest, although then it just got too Return of the King-y and the other two endings were a little much of kind of deadened the impact of the quieter moments.
There were also some funny "fake" commercials throughout the episode, with old cast members in zombie form touting regular modern-world products. Yeah, that was kinda cute.
Still, for all that could have gone wrong in the episode, it was hopeful, and gently upbeat, and really harkened back to what made the show special without completely cribbing off other show endings. Angela Kang did her best to run out a slowly dying show in a thoughtful way and it was at least coherent under her watch.
For spoiler territories:
I think the death count was Luke and some chick I didn't know, and then of course Rosita. Rosita was the touching death. yeah, we've seen people slowly die when they've suffered a bite -- and hers was in a place where an amputation wasn't possible -- but this was actually a nice strategy because she could watch the happy moments at the end with the wisdom of a slowly dying woman, appreciating all the people she loved, and then she had a quiet, meaningful death surrounded by everyone she loved.
The meaningful conversation was between Maggie and Negan. I missed the last 20-30 episodes or so (?), but this was beautifully done. Laurie Cohan was great. And they made the decision that Negan would not talk, just listen, and convey his emotions via facial expression and body language -- which, considering Negan likes to talk as much as Deadpool does, really conveyed his sincerity here. Yes, it was totally the right approach. She's been put in an impossible spot and I think she has been true to the spirit of her long-dead father as well, she's trying to show grace and finally accepts Negan is truly sorry and has shown his value many times over... but every time she sees him, she sees Glenn dying, and hearing Negan mocking them all, and she can't bear to remember Glenn that way because Glenn deserved so much better. So she can't forgive him, but she is trying just as Negan has, and he needs to simply take her where she is -- whether she has an okay reaction to him some days and a bad reaction other days. It was such a mature, realistic, fair approach rather than easy forgiveness or stubborn rejection. They might have screwed up some things in this show, but Maggie's response to Negan seems to have been really well-handled.
Carol and Daryl reaffirm their relationship before Darrell leaves again -- and even say the love word -- but it feels deeper than romantic love. Again, they avoided a misstep. They finally said what we all could tell all along, without cheapening it into something romantic. It was really nice.
Remember that scene in something Wicked this way comes, when the painted man is trapped on the carosel and ages away in phantasmagorical display of late 70's early 80's cinematic effect? And how the boys just watched from off to the side? That's how I feel as someone who never watched walking dead. The people who initially got into it are the painted, trapped on an out of control merry go round of centrifugal time, free neither to leave or go anywhere, just at the mercy of a merry go round in sore need of breaking down. prisoners of a shambling corpse of premise that has haunted the night for far longer than anything should. The Walking Dead indeed.
The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon, starring Norman Reedus, receives its early Rotten Tomatoes rating.
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Haha. They're calling it a "commendable 69%"??
For a movie, that score is marginally okay.
For a TV show, it's a terrible score because the fans scoring it usually give a good show at least a 90% or higher. A 69% typically is a show that doesn't last long.
I wonder if anyone even watched Walking Dead: Dead City. There appears to be no buzz what so ever.
I watched episode one and thought is was quite lame. I have not watched anymore of it due to this, but I did not write the series off entirely. I'll probably go back to it when I have nothing else to watch (the writers strike should help with that in a few months).
I expect more mediocracy though.
I think Walking Dead wrapped up just in time. It was becoming somewhat tedious and repetitive. Just an endless treadmill of one nefarious group after another causing a ruckus for the protagonists. It looks like the spinoffs will just carry on with that, albeit with a small group of the originals and no doubt adding a few newbies to the mix.
I watched episode one and thought is was quite lame. I have not watched anymore of it due to this, but I did not write the series off entirely. I'll probably go back to it when I have nothing else to watch (the writers strike should help with that in a few months). I expect more mediocracy though.
I think Walking Dead wrapped up just in time. It was becoming somewhat tedious and repetitive. Just an endless treadmill of one nefarious group after another causing a ruckus for the protagonists. It looks like the spinoffs will just carry on with that, albeit with a small group of the originals and no doubt adding a few newbies to the mix.
I think it could have wrapped up a few seasons before it did. It has been in a same stupid rut for literally its last 3-4 seasons. it was so painful to try to trudge through a season of 16-24 episodes where it was just the same plot recycled over and over.
I did enjoy the Whisperers segment, it felt a little different and Samantha Morton is a joy to watch. I kinda liked the resolution of it (weaponizing Negan) and Lydia's initial working through her issues. But I eventually couldn't get through it, I ended up skipping much of the last season, reading the synopses in an hour, and then watching the finale to cap it off.
It's a shame, I really loved the first season with Darabont running it, and the Farm had some great plot elements to it. Then by mid-point of Season 3, it was hitting the terrible cycle the show suffered under for the remainder of its run. Occasionally there would be a noteworthy episode (like the one with Carol and the two girls, and her revelation to Tyreese). It took a huge blow when it toyed with its audience regarding Glenn's death (which annoyed people), then Nicotero pretty much copied the visuals from the book which are far more gruesome in video on a fan favorite character. The show dropped a lot of viewers and never really recovered. It then did like 36 episodes or more of Negan just abusing the heroes cyclically, with nothing really changing plotwise. Pretty crazy. They should have had movement on that plotline and resolved it within a season or a slight bit into the next.
Yep, Maggie and Negan. It has aired, just six episodes long though (which may prove to be a good thing).
I agree with you in general regarding the main series decline.
I liked when they would periodically kill off a main character as it added an element of uncertainty. They got away from that too later on, where maybe only a second stringer would get offed. I really wanted to Glen to die in the first few seasons (he was just so whiney early on), he was second only to Carl on my hit list, but they only killed him off once he grew a pair and became likeable. But I had no qualms with them doing it.
Yep, Maggie and Negan. It has aired, just six episodes long though (which may prove to be a good thing).
I agree with you in general regarding the main series decline.
I liked when they would periodically kill off a main character as it added an element of uncertainty. They got away from that too later on, where maybe only a second stringer would get offed. I really wanted to Glen to die in the first few seasons (he was just so whiney early on), he was second only to Carl on my hit list, but they only killed him off once he grew a pair and became likeable. But I had no qualms with them doing it.
Yeah, I didn't either -- I mean, it was the book death and the way it was "supposed" to go. I do think it was shameless how they pretended to kill Glenn off early but didn't, then pretended to kill Abraham in place of Glenn, then killed Glenn anyway. I mean, I'm cool with him dying there (although I liked Glenn at that point), just all the clumsy misdirection just seemed silly to me.
The deaths seemed to be pointless (done for just shock value) or really predictable as the series progressed. Also, they had a tendency to actually give a character part of an episode or two right before killing them off, lol. So it's like, "Oh, we're finding out so-and-so's backstory, prepare to say goodbye."
I think one of the few unexpected ones was Carl, since it wasn't a book death and was kind of gutsy. Felt bad for Chandler whassiname.
