Trump vs. Biden

[The Cat]

I hate reboots.

 

[Jaguar]

suck it up

No.

 

[Stigmata]

So act like one. Having to be patient while they count mail in votes also means having to be patient while the legal process plays out due to the fraud potential, paired with the close results. In December the electors vote. After that we have a president elect. In January they're sworn in. In the meantime suck it up and let the process do its job.

The issue is not about the process of counting ballots, the issue is one side repeatedly claiming widespread voter fraud that has yet to be substantiated. The issue is one using their political leverage to attempt to delegitimize our democratic process. The issue is with prominent, elected members of one side pushing out seditionist rhetoric to rile up their base. How can you try and turn this into an argument about being patient when the president of the US called for the election process to be halted in certain states while it showed him ahead in the race before all ballots were counted. To try to turn this into the left being impatient and trying to proclaim a winner prematurely is just laughable and comes across disingenuous.

 

[Jaguar]

Pennsylvania postal worker recants ballot tampering allegations: officials | TheHill

Hopkins’s claims had been widely touted by Republicans and were at the heart of a letter from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) to the Justice Department urging it to open a federal probe. Attorney General William Barr, in a controversial move, subsequently gave the green light for prosecutors to investigate credible allegations of voting irregularities and fraud.


Opening a fraud investigation, based on a fraudulent assertion. No surprise there. No one is looking for fraud, they're flat out manufacturing fraud. It's what sore losers do.

 

[anticlimatic]

The issue is not about the process of counting ballots, the issue is one side repeatedly claiming widespread voter fraud that has yet to be substantiated. The issue is one using their political leverage to attempt to delegitimize our democratic process. The issue is with prominent, elected members of one side pushing out seditionist rhetoric to rile up their base. How can you try and turn this into an argument about being patient when the president of the US called for the election process to be halted in certain states while it showed him ahead in the race before all ballots were counted. To try to turn this into the left being impatient and trying to proclaim a winner prematurely is just laughable and comes across disingenuous.

Let me rephrase my argument:

Chill. Gon' be fine.

 

[Jonny]

Pennsylvania postal worker recants ballot tampering allegations: officials | TheHill

Hopkins’s claims had been widely touted by Republicans and were at the heart of a letter from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) to the Justice Department urging it to open a federal probe. Attorney General William Barr, in a controversial move, subsequently gave the green light for prosecutors to investigate credible allegations of voting irregularities and fraud.


Opening a fraud investigation, based on a fraudulent assertion. No surprise there. No one is looking for fraud, they're flat out manufacturing fraud. It's what sore losers do.

He just recorded a video saying this is fake news and he did not recant his statement.

t.co/8Rj5yWSljz

It’s all very amusing. Trump does now how to put on a show, and I suspect he’s raking in the dough to his “legal defense fund”.

 

[Jaguar]

He just recorded a video saying this is fake news and he did not recant his statement.

I already saw that. This is what criminals do. No credibility.

 

[FemMecha]

Let me rephrase my argument:

Chill. Gon' be fine.

While a madman puts a yesman in charge of the bombs.

 

[Stigmata]

Let me rephrase my argument:

Chill. Gon' be fine.

Trump administration removes senior defense officials and installs loyalists, triggering alarm at Pentagon

If you say so, Chief. If you say so.

 

[Jaguar]

.

 

[Mind Maverick]

 

[Mind Maverick]

Trump administration removes senior defense officials and installs loyalists, triggering alarm at Pentagon

If you say so, Chief. If you say so.

Trump wanted to be more like him...

 

[Mind Maverick]

Let me rephrase my argument:

Chill. Gon' be fine.

 

[EcK]

Postal Worker Admits Fabricating Allegations of Ballot Tampering, Officials Say

You mean this guy who says they made that up ?
It says so in your linked article too.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Maou]

We're in the middle of a massive propaganda war, remember that.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Something else kinda interesting from that Washington Post piece about the guy who claimed he overheard the thing about back-dating ballots:

Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe on Saturday hailed Hopkins as “an American hero” on Twitter. A GoFundMe page created under Hopkins’s name had raised more than $136,000 by Tuesday evening, with donors praising him as a patriot and whistleblower. The fundraising page was removed by GoFundMe after this story was published Tuesday, a spokesman for the platform said.

“Your donations are going to help me in the case I am wrongfully terminated from my job or I am forced into resigning due to ostrizization [sic] by my co-workers,” the page states. “It will help me get a new start in a place I feel safe and help me with child support until I am able to get settled and get a job.”

A spokesman for GoFundMe, Bobby Whithorne, said in a statement that the money raised on the site was “not disbursed and Hopkins never had access to the funds.”
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Has anyone seen the USPS detail how difficult it would be to backdate a bunch of mail? I personally don't know anything about it, but I assume it's an automated process done by a machine and that it would be nearly impossible to actually modify the time stamp without SOME computer trail or at the very least without *a lot* of people involved (and it gets progressively more difficult to believe an individual's account according to how many other individuals involved refute it). It's surprising to me that the USPS hasn't commented in this regard.

 

[Red Memories]

Something else kinda interesting from that Washington Post piece about the guy who claimed he overheard the thing about back-dating ballots:

Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe on Saturday hailed Hopkins as “an American hero” on Twitter. A GoFundMe page created under Hopkins’s name had raised more than $136,000 by Tuesday evening, with donors praising him as a patriot and whistleblower. The fundraising page was removed by GoFundMe after this story was published Tuesday, a spokesman for the platform said.

“Your donations are going to help me in the case I am wrongfully terminated from my job or I am forced into resigning due to ostrizization [sic] by my co-workers,” the page states. “It will help me get a new start in a place I feel safe and help me with child support until I am able to get settled and get a job.”

A spokesman for GoFundMe, Bobby Whithorne, said in a statement that the money raised on the site was “not disbursed and Hopkins never had access to the funds.”
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Has anyone seen the USPS detail how difficult it would be to backdate a bunch of mail? I personally don't know anything about it, but I assume it's an automated process done by a machine and that it would be nearly impossible to actually modify the time stamp without SOME computer trail or at the very least without *a lot* of people involved (and it gets progressively more difficult to believe an individual's account according to how many other individuals involved refute it). It's surprising to me that the USPS hasn't commented in this regard.

I would love to assume it is not true, but I had anxiety about any common person this election being in charge of such a hefty sum of ballots. Do you think a lot of people would confess to doing something like that in the first place? I don't think it necessarily was the democratic party though - anyway could pay a postal service office enough to toy with whatever they wanted, even Russia for all we know. So easy to corrupt things with money involved.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Let me rephrase my argument:

Chill. Gon' be fine.

I agree, actually. Recounts will probably not change the outcome, and as for Bush v. Gore type shenanigans, he has to succeed with that in too many places in order to win; that makes it very difficult. I think Mitch McConnell and the GOP members not in Trump's immediate orbit are also eager to throw him under the bus, but don't want to lose favor with his supporters, which is why they're making the kind of statements they are.

I suppose you can claim that this is damaging to trust in the institutions, but I had lost trust in the institutions long before Trump, dating back to the last GOP president. Obama preferred to sweep it under the rug under the laughable rationale that doing so would hep protect the integrity of the institutions rather then actually deal with any of those issues when he had the chance. It was rather ridiculous reasoning; I trust institutions when members of them either behave unanimously in a manner that's trustworthy, or have mechanisms of accountability for people that do not behave in a trustworthy fashion (slapping a light sentence on a low-level flunky like Scooter Libby does not count as "accountability"). I would imagine it would be the same for any individual with at least some degree of critical thinking and object permanence (by which I mean the ability to remember the existence of things that are not in your immediate sight).

 

[Red Memories]

I agree, actually. Recounts will probably not change the outcome, and as for Bush v. Gore type shenanigans, he has to succeed with that in too many places in order to win; that makes it very difficult. I think Mitch McConnell and the GOP members not in Trump's immediate orbit are also eager to throw him under the bus, but don't want to lose favor with his supporters, which is why they're making the kind of statements they are.

I suppose you can claim that this is damaging to trust in the institutions, but I had lost trust in the institutions long before Trump, dating back to the last GOP president. Obama preferred to sweep it under the rug under the laughable rationale that doing so would hep protect the integrity of the institutions with any of that when he had the chance. It was rather ridiculous reasoning; I trust institutions when members of them either behave unanimously in a manner that's trustworthy, or have mechanisms of accountability for people that do not behave in a trustworthy fashion (slapping a light sentence on a low-level flunky like Scooter Libby does not count as "accountability"). I would imagine it would be the same for any individual with at least some degree of critical thinking and object permanence (by which I mean the ability to remember the existence of things that are not in your immediate sight).

Yeaaaahhhh I think I have this issue of distrust as well.......