2020 Democratic Party primary thread

[Nicodemus]

How long till Bernie is literally Hitler in the mainstream media?

How long until people stop misusing the word 'literally'?

 

[Maou]

How long until people stop misusing the word 'literally'?

I don't know, ask your friends on twitter.

 

[Tellenbach]

In last night's CNN townhall, Bernie was asked why he opposed nuclear power plants. His answer was expected but unless you've studied the issue, most people wouldn't know how dishonest and misleading his answer was.

Bernie said he wanted to shut down nuclear power plants because no states wanted nuclear waste shipped there. Then he said we don't know how to store the waste and that building a nuclear power plant today is very expensive.

It's not a state decision. The federal government owns plenty of land and if you don't want to store it in the country, you could just dump it in the ocean.

The reason why we lack storage is because of the 100,000 year requirement of geologic stability. Anti-nuclear power activists have gotten politicians to require that storage sites be geologically stable for 100,000 years; this rules out most of the country because of tectonic plate activity, but if it were a 1,000 or even a 10,000 year requirement, we'd have tons of space. See how insane these regulations are? Does anyone care what happens to nuclear waste 100,000 years from now or even 1,000 years in the future?

Bernie's absolutely right about expensive nuclear power plants because Dems have made it nearly impossible to build one by requiring multi-year environmental impact studies and other regulations.

Look at how these people think:
1) Climate change is an existential threat and in 12 years, the planet is doomed.
2) We can't use nuclear power because we can't find a 100,000 year solution for storing the waste.
3) Nuclear power plants are too expensive. Why? Because we don't like nuclear power so we've made it super expensive to build one.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

In last night's CNN townhall, Bernie was asked why he opposed nuclear power plants. His answer was expected but unless you've studied the issue, most people wouldn't know how dishonest and misleading his answer was.

Bernie said he wanted to shut down nuclear power plants because no states wanted nuclear waste shipped there. Then he said we don't know how to store the waste and that building a nuclear power plant today is very expensive.

It's not a state decision. The federal government owns plenty of land and if you don't want to store it in the country, you could just dump it in the ocean.

The reason why we lack storage is because of the 100,000 year requirement of geologic stability. Anti-nuclear power activists have gotten politicians to require that storage sites be geologically stable for 100,000 years; this rules out most of the country because of tectonic plate activity, but if it were a 1,000 or even a 10,000 year requirement, we'd have tons of space. See how insane these regulations are? Does anyone care what happens to nuclear waste 100,000 years from now or even 1,000 years in the future?

Bernie's absolutely right about expensive nuclear power plants because Dems have made it nearly impossible to build one by requiring multi-year environmental impact studies and other regulations.

Look at how these people think:
1) Climate change is an existential threat and in 12 years, the planet is doomed.
2) We can't use nuclear power because we can't find a 100,000 year solution for storing the waste.
3) Nuclear power plants are too expensive. Why? Because we don't like nuclear power so we've made it super expensive to build one.

The problem is that people don't understand the difference between nuclear power and nucular power. Nuclear bombs are dangerous. You can safely ride nucular bombs, however.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Joe Walsh: 'I'd rather have a socialist in the White House than a con man'

Former presidential candidate Joe Walsh criticized fellow Republicans who labeled themselves as “never Trump” for considering a vote for President Trump if Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the Democratic 2020 nominee.

Yeah, that's not Never Trump, lol.

"Some of my Republican and ex-Republican brethren have started implying that what never-Trump actually meant was something more like: fingers-crossed-I-really-really-hope-not-Trump-but-I-guess-sometimes-Trump if Democrats wind up nominating a self-described democratic socialist," he wrote. "But that’s not how this works."

You know what? I like this Joe Walsh.

 

[Jaguar]

Can these people shout any louder in this goddamn debate tonight? Jesus.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Bernie Sanders rally location changes due to ‘high volume of RSVPs’

For all the Republicans here who think they should decide the Democratic nominee (apart from Operation Chaos, love y'all). please let me know when this happens to Mike Bloomberg or Amy Klobuchar. Also, explain to me why the candidate that draws the biggest crowds is the least electable without using the S word.

 

[Maou]

Bernie Sanders rally location changes due to ‘high volume of RSVPs’

For all the Republicans here who think they should decide the Democratic nominee(apart from Operation Chaos, love y'all). please let me know when this happens to Mike Bloomberg or Amy Klobuchar. Also, explain to me why the candidate that draws the biggest crowds is the least electable without using the S word.

Because people wouldn't know a president, from thier ass from a hole the ground.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Because people wouldn't know a president, from thier ass from a hole the ground.

All I know is that I don't see this stuff happening for Bloomberg. The only people who help Bloomberg out are the people he pays.

 

[Maou]

All I know is that I don't see this stuff happening for Bloomberg. The only people who help Bloomberg out are the people he pays.

I can see why Nico likes him, all I am saying. He conducts himself well. I don't think he is entirely money driven now, but he is also probably lying. He is also totally a Republican.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I can see why Nico likes him, all I am saying. He conducts himself well. I don't think he is entirely money driven now, but he is also probably lying. He is also totally a Republican.

I think if I had to choose between a Republican and a Republican (with the exception of Joe Walsh), I'd probably pick something else. The only thing that might change my mind is climate change.

 

[Maou]

I think if I had to choose between a Republican and a Republican, I'd probably pick something else. The only thing that might change my mind is climate change.

Climate change is the least of my concerns, but I am all for policy forcing China and India to clean up.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

If California polls hold, only Bernie Sanders would win any delegates chosen by statewide vote

That's a lot of delegates.

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Bernie Sanders' big Nevada win causes cable news freakout — because it reveals a big truth

Back then, nearly 80% of Democratic voters and a majority of Americans overall supported Medicare for All.

Perhaps that's because researchers at Yale and Harvard have found that Medicare for All reduces costs, while a public option — as proposed by Biden, Pete Buttigieg and other moderate candidates challenging Sanders — would make health care more expensive.


"The advantage of Medicare for All, which is much closer to how the rest of the world provides health care to their residents, is that you can achieve universal coverage at a lower cost," Larry Levitt, senior vice president for health reform at the Kaiser Family Foundation, explained to CNBC. Medicare for All polls well, Levitt further explained, because "Medicare is a very popular program, so the idea of expanding it to everyone is popular as well."

I'm backing up my opinion that Sanders can win the general not just on my own gut feeling or intuition, but also on facts, data, and polls.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Nice gaffe by Bloomberg about buying Congress...... "I boug -- got them." Yes, Bloomberg bought Congress and is trying to buy the nomination......

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Nice gaffe by Bloomberg about buying Congress...... "I boug -- got them." Yes, Bloomberg bought Congress and is trying to buy the nomination......

What would you say to a hypothetical person who trusts Bloomberg because his wealth means he can't be bought?

 

[highlander]

Indeed. That is a reality too many people overlook, that one way or another, we pay. I sometimes call the "free market" approach to such things as divide-and-conquer economics. Each consumer is left to fend for him/herself under the guise of "consumer choice", losing the economies of scale and buying power of the group.

Yeah let the government fix it. They have such a good track record with purchasing things economically and smart procurement.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Yeah let the government fix it. They have such a good track record with purchasing things economically and smart procurement.

Who do you expect to rein in corporations if not the government? I would assume you are not advocating anarchism.

You've said before that you think the influence and behavior of corporations is a problem. If you don't trust the government to do something about it, who exactly do you expect to take care of it? The only thing I can conceive of beyond some sort of anarchist approach (which is too unrealistic even for me), is some sort of benevolent billionaire (maybe someone in the mold of Bloomberg/Steyer/Trump) doing something about it. That's not something I think we should rely on too much. How can they be trusted to not just use the opportunity to enrich themselves further in the process, especially when they got rich by running, directly or indirectly, many of those corporations to begin with?

The problem with the benevolent billionaire is the same problem that we have with the benevolent autocrat in monarchies.

 

[highlander]

Who do you expect to rein in corporations if not the government?

Probably some kind of regulation . Maybe take away some of the rights the corporation has. Increase officer liability and culpability. Make fines real and financially impactful instead of a slap on the wrist. Limit financial flow from corporations to politicians. Create financial incentives for the right behaviors. I'm not sure. Watch that video I posted. Maybe you have some ideas. I sure there are many. Maybe we can restructure social security. Reduce defense spending. Find a way to support Medicare for all without putting an incompetent governent in charge and taking away choice. Force states to be fiscally responsible with their pension systems. I do like the idea of term limits and getting rid of the filibuster.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Probably some kind of regulation . Maybe take away some of the rights the corporation has. Increase officer liability and culpability. Make fines real and financially impactful instead of a slap on the wrist. Limit financial flow from corporations to politicians. Create financial incentives for the right behaviors. I'm not sure. Watch that video I posted. Maybe you have some ideas. I sure there are many. Maybe we can restructure social security. Reduce defense spending. Find a way to support Medicare for all without putting an incompetent governent in charge and taking away choice. Force states to be fiscally responsible with their pension systems. I do like the idea of term limits and getting rid of the filibuster.

Regulation involves the government.

And yes, I saw The Corporation during the Dubya administration.

 

[highlander]

Regulation involves the government. And yes, I saw The Corporation during the Dubya administration.

So there you go. What ideas do you think will address the core issues brought up in that? How about Medicare part D for all? Make it a start - an experiment to see how some of this works?