Psychopathology and Drugs

[LovecraftianMonstrosity]

Maybe there is a simpler answer that you are refusing to see because you are framing your views of reality in terms of what you feel is necessary for social well-being.

 

[meowington]

Sexual predators soften up thirteen year olds with criminal drug propaganda, which is sophisticated and effective, and repeated over and over until it becomes as taken for granted as a cliche.

That is one giant leap of twisted and narrow minded logic. Pretty scary really.
Nobody is advocating drug use for 13 year olds. I don't know why I bother, but sexual predators can be pretty creative with over the counter drugs too to do their harm.

You can use a knife to butter your bread or you can use it to stab someone. Should we outlaw all knives ?

 

[á´…eparted]

That is one giant leap of twisted and narrow minded logic. Pretty scary really.
Nobody is advocating drug use for 13 year olds. I don't know why I bother, but sexual predators can be pretty creative with over the counter drugs too to do their harm.

You can use a knife to butter your bread or you can use it to stab someone. Should we outlaw all knives ?

This. [MENTION=3325]Mole[/MENTION] I can assure you I am not a sexual predator.

 

[prplchknz]

i don't think drugs should be outlawed. nor people who do them are degernative sexual predators that go after litle kids and teens. in fact when i was a kid the fear that some guy in a dark alley would approach me and insist i try crack and then i'd be hook never happened. it doesn't happen. yes even highly addictive drugs i think instead of making them illegal to use maybe keep them illegal to sale is instead treat addiction as medical problem instead of a criminal problem. i dunno i'm not a drug user [MENTION=20829]Hard[/MENTION] knows why. because both weed and uppers cause me to hallucinate and excarebate my paranoia even in smaller does and i'm too scared to try other drugs. because i have no idea if i'd react negatively to them or not. even drinking which i do on occasion if i drink too often i have a tendecy to time travel or become suicidal. that being said if others want to drugs that's fine. ps i don't mean black out but rather i either start thinking i'm somewhere completely different or i am ahead of everyone in time by a couple of seconds which believe it or not makes pretty hard to have a conversation. the only drug i'd feel safe doing is opiates but the addiction potential is too high and i have friends who are in recovery from them and so its not that i feel safe it's more of i don't think it cause the issues the other drugs do.

 

[meowington]

yeah I agree ( [MENTION=360]prplchknz[/MENTION] ), the drug problem should be treated as a medical problem and not a criminal one.

I'd definitely not recommend any kind of psychoactive substance if you have a natural inclinations to paranoia, psychosis, etc. unless advised by a doctor, who hopefully knows what he/she's doing.
There's probably (and unfortunately) no cure-all effect to be gained from any kind of recreational drug, be it for hereditary/biological issues, or issues caused by trauma or environment.
(One thing I've learned is trying to calmly take a step back and make the right hypothesis when you're mind is on the run. Easier said than done. I'm probably minimizing your problem(s) this way. Or exercise. Or find some routines that work well for you. I don't know.)
I'm personally sensitive by nature and as a consequence sensitive to every kind of drug. I've always made sure I was well educated on the few illegal substances I've tried. But the education on substances and even the quality of substances are hugely obstructed by their illegal status alone.

 

[Typh0n]

[MENTION=3325]Mole[/MENTION] you do realize that the outlawing of drugs creates criminality? Do you realize that Opium, Cocaine, Heroin and others were used in the 19th and 20th century by "respectable" people without it ever being a problem for the government? Do you know why governments decided it should be a problem? It had/has nothing to do with people's well being.

Not everyone who uses drugs does it because they are escaping from mental health problems, and even if they are, the problem is a medical one and not one of criminality. The same is true for alchohol. Not everyone who drinks is an alchoholic. Not everyone who does drugs is a "drug addict".

 

[Typh0n]

i don't think drugs should be outlawed. nor people who do them are degernative sexual predators that go after litle kids and teens. in fact when i was a kid the fear that some guy in a dark alley would approach me and insist i try crack and then i'd be hook never happened. it doesn't happen. yes even highly addictive drugs i think instead of making them illegal to use maybe keep them illegal to sale is instead treat addiction as medical problem instead of a criminal problem. i dunno i'm not a drug user [MENTION=20829]Hard[/MENTION] knows why. because both weed and uppers cause me to hallucinate and excarebate my paranoia even in smaller does and i'm too scared to try other drugs. because i have no idea if i'd react negatively to them or not. even drinking which i do on occasion if i drink too often i have a tendecy to time travel or become suicidal. that being said if others want to drugs that's fine. ps i don't mean black out but rather i either start thinking i'm somewhere completely different or i am ahead of everyone in time by a couple of seconds which believe it or not makes pretty hard to have a conversation. the only drug i'd feel safe doing is opiates but the addiction potential is too high and i have friends who are in recovery from them and so its not that i feel safe it's more of i don't think it cause the issues the other drugs do.

Yeah, everyone reacts differently to a substance.

Personally, most "hard" drugs I've tried like downers and coke don't have a bad effect on me, though I've always been careful in not doing too much. I think most people go to far with stimulants, downers, and opiates because in those cases they are addicted, but I never get addicted to anything I try so I'm kind of lucky in that regard. The odd thingis that weed often makes me paranoid, depending on setting. If I'm with people I don't like, I don't wanna smoke weed at all...my friend tells me that in my case, how I react to weed can be very different depending on setting/environment. Its not my favorite thing as a result, because I find it unpredicteable. I'm a little scared to do psychedelics as a result, I know enough about acid to know I could have a horrible experience, especially if I try it in the wrong setting.

 

[prplchknz]

Yeah, everyone reacts differently to a substance.

Personally, most "hard" drugs I've tried like downers and coke don't have a bad effect on me, though I've always been careful in not doing too much. I think most people go to far with stimulants, downers, and opiates because in those cases they are addicted, but I never get addicted to anything I try so I'm kind of lucky in that regard. The odd thingis that weed often makes me paranoid, depending on setting. If I'm with people I don't like, I don't wanna smoke weed at all...my friend tells me that in my case, how I react to weed can be very different depending on setting/environment. Its not my favorite thing as a result, because I find it unpredicteable. I'm a little scared to do psychedelics as a result, I know enough about acid to know I could have a horrible experience, especially if I try it in the wrong setting.

exactly it depends on the person thats why i respect people's choices when it comes to substance use.

 

[Typh0n]

exactly it depends on the person thats why i respect people's choices when it comes to substance use.

Yeah, same here. Its their body/mind, their choice to take whatever they want (or not to take). You're an adult, its your choice. I expect society to extend the same consideration to me. I'm an adult.

Unfortuneately the "war ond drugs" makes it more difficult for people who want to use substances to get reliable information and help if they have a problem.

 

[Mole]

Yeah, same here. Its their body/mind, their choice to take whatever they want (or not to take). You're an adult, its your choice. I expect society to extend the same consideration to me. I'm an adult.

Unfortuneately the "war ond drugs" makes it more difficult for people who want to use substances to get reliable information and help if they have a problem.

This is a site devoted to psychology, it is not a site devoted to the criminal use of drugs.

We seek to understand the psyche and help the psyche achieve its life goals.

We know narcissists use criminal drugs to avoid their responsibilities to others. So harm themselves and others.

We know neurotics use criminal drugs to hide their anxiety and depression, and so harm the neurotic.

We know the mentally ill use criminal drugs to medicate the symptoms of their psychopathology, and so fail to seek psychiatric care, ruining their lives and the lives of their families.

The vast untaxed cash flow of the international criminal trade in drugs has produced an effective propaganda.

And it is plain that Typology Central is being used to spread the international propaganda for criminal drugs to us all.

 

[meowington]

And it is plain that Typology Central is being used to spread the international propaganda for criminal drugs to us all.

So now some kind of Mexican drug cartel is behind TypC ? What drugs are you on dude ?

Why do you never respond to any arguments ? All you do is come up with one cryptic oneliner after another, seperated by a blank line.
Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

 

[Typh0n]

This is a site devoted to psychology, it is not a site devoted to the criminal use of drugs.

We seek to understand the psyche and help the psyche achieve its life goals.

We know narcissists use criminal drugs to avoid their responsibilities to others. So harm themselves and others.

We know neurotics use criminal drugs to hide their anxiety and depression, and so harm the neurotic.

We know the mentally ill use criminal drugs to medicate the symptoms of their psychopathology, and so fail to seek psychiatric care, ruining their lives and the lives of their families.

The vast untaxed cash flow of the international criminal trade in drugs has produced an effective propaganda.

And it is plain that Typology Central is being used to spread the international propaganda for criminal drugs to us all.

LOL.

 

[Typh0n]

So now some kind of Mexican drug cartel is behind TypC ? What drugs are you on dude ?

Why do you never respond to any arguments ? All you do is come up with one cryptic oneliner after another, seperated by a blank line.
Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

What I find most ironic is that he's now advocating we talk about typology when he's always been like "MBTI puts you in a trance and is evil", now he has to remind us this is a typology site. Thanks Mole, for the reminder. I never knew.

 

[Yuurei]

If someone makes the very poor decision to OD on drugs and dies oh well. The world is far overpopulated anyway. I don't know we should insist on saving those who will cause harm to themselves and worse of all- others because they refuse to get help.

Furthermore, the paranoia about drugs only hurts those who truly need them to live or get through the day. Because of restrictions and the FDA the drugs that myself ( and others) need to live cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Most of those drugs could be made by anyone with an average IQ and $20 a year.
Pain killers that are truly necessary for some are nearly impossibly to get and even asking is difficult because they will assume you are just another addict and treat you like garbage...while real addicts are told they have a disease that isn't their fault, and given access to so many free clinics and other forms of help they wont even take.

...the point of that rant; yeah, legalize drugs. We'll lose some extra baggage and a lot of good for people who need/will accept it.

 

[prplchknz]

That is one giant leap of twisted and narrow minded logic. Pretty scary really.
Nobody is advocating drug use for 13 year olds. I don't know why I bother, but sexual predators can be pretty creative with over the counter drugs too to do their harm.

You can use a knife to butter your bread or you can use it to stab someone. Should we outlaw all knives ?

yes BAN ALL THE KNIVES!!!!!! EVER WE WILL USE AXES AND SAWS TO CUT OUR FOOD!!!!!! WE WILL EAT LIKE SAVAGES WITH OUR HANDS RIPPING BLOODY FLESH FROM THE CARCASS AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

[á´…eparted]

. Most of those drugs could be made by anyone with an average IQ and $20 a year.

Mmm no this is definitely not true at all. Most drugs on the market are VERY difficult to make and take years if not a decade of school and training.

Source: I'm an organic chemist.

 

[1487610420]

yes BAN ALL THE KNIVES!!!!!! EVER WE WILL USE AXES AND SAWS TO CUT OUR FOOD!!!!!! WE WILL EAT LIKE SAVAGES WITH OUR HANDS RIPPING BLOODY FLESH FROM THE CARCASS AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

i ated chicken n chips n salad wyd ma hands

 

[Yuurei]

Mmm no this is definitely not true at all. Most drugs on the market are VERY difficult to make and take years if not a decade of school and training.

Source: I'm an organic chemist.

My best friend is an organic chemist. He makes all of my drugs for me.

 

[á´…eparted]

My best friend is an organic chemist. He makes all of my drugs for me.

what drugs do you need to take (if you don't mind me asking)? Some can be made for "cheap" if they're small enough, but most aren't.

 

[Typh0n]

Furthermore, the paranoia about drugs only hurts those who truly need them to live or get through the day. Because of restrictions and the FDA the drugs that myself ( and others) need to live cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

I read that only 2% of generic medications make it on the market in the US. If more generics were allowed onto the market, this could potentially regulate the prices of some prescription drugs which are so high. In Europe, we have healthcare so we don't feel this as much, however healthcare itself is not an arguement to counteract expensive drugs because thats throwing the burden on the taxpayer (this isn't an arguement for or against healthcare).

I don't know how a de-criminalized market for recreational drugs would look like. If recreational drugs are legal, they would be regulated. And if they're not legal, but de-criminalized, they would not be regulated and would be sold on a black market...which might not help the problem of impurities within stuff like heroin.

I think a potential solution for pharmaceuticals is to allow unnaproved drugs to be sold in pharmacies...so long as they are CLEARLY marked as such. De-regulating is fine if there are too many regulations but I admit I don't know how the regulation process is conducted. 2% seems like a really small number.