Captain America debate OVER

[bilbotook]

It's been long debated whether the Marvel Cinematic Universe's Captain America is a conservative or a liberal. Well, screenwriter Stephen Mcfeely has ended the debate with the liberals in the right. Before I explain, let me just tell you that Stephen Mcfeely is THE screenwriter of all three Captain America movies. Every thing Cap ever said, every wise worder he spoke in his own movie, Stephen Mcfeely said it first. So arguing against this guy about who Captain America is is like arguing with God about the bible or arguing with JRR Tolkien about lotr.
Now basically what happened is that Stephen Mcfeely identified himself as a left wing liberal and said that Captain America (his character. I can't emphasize that enough) is the POLAR OPPOSITE of Donald Trump. He said that the rise of people like Donald Trump makes Captain America resonate more. Captain America The Winter Soldier and Captain America Civil War deals with post 9/11 paranoia and Captain America stands against the conservative reaction to terrorist attacks.
Again I will say this as many times as I need to, Stephen Mcfeely himself the mouth behind Captain America has stated that Captain America is indeed a liberal. It's only a matter of time before conservatives find this information and stop their pathetic attempt to make Captain America their own hero.
DEBATE OVER

 

[Gypsy-Flux]

whoa, easy Cap

 

[bilbotook]

whoa, easy Cap

Throughout comics Captain America has been portrayed different ways. In this thread, I'm talking about the Chris Evans Captain America whom the mind behind is Stephen Mcfeely who has declared Captain America a liberal

 

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Captain America is a Libratarian Socialist.

He just wants the best for America and it's people.

or maybe I guess "classic liberalism" but for heaven sake's don't mistake all that is wrong with modern society with "neo-liberalism"

But in the movies and everything that's what I see as him being represented as, not clearly liberal or conservative. The whole having his shield thing always magically saving him is kind of lame though. Why can't he be like "Captain Hope" or something and not outright be so patriotic or specific to a certain countries?

In Winter Solider he freaking fell out of like a four story window and the shield broke his fall. That doesn't make any sense, it's made of unbreakable steal, wouldn't it break his hand? all he did was fall on his god damn shield.

It should be like Wonder Woman's lasso who is obviously a bit of an American icon/patriotic symbol but her weapons and stuff but she stands for more then just a nation and her weapons have supernatural powers and stories behind them, instead of just like "SHIELD, AMERICA, YEAH"

 

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Oh and are Black Panther and Bucky super human? I remember in the car chase scene they were running as fast as the cars without getting tired but I thought they were only in top physical conditioning? It's the same with Captain America pulling of some super human feats when I thought the whole idea was that they were at top athlete conditioning, sort of like Batman and not full on like super-strength; though I imagine they were only...slightly more?

 

[Gypsy-Flux]

It IS a popular Hollywood franchise so I see it very unlikely that he would be portrayed as a right-wing conservative...

 

[bilbotook]

Captain America is a Libratarian Socialist.

He just wants the best for America and it's people.

or maybe I guess "classic liberalism" but for heaven sake's don't mistake all that is wrong with modern society with "neo-liberalism"

But in the movies and everything that's what I see as him being represented as, not clearly liberal or conservative. The whole having his shield thing always magically saving him is kind of lame though. Why can't he be like "Captain Hope" or something and not outright be so patriotic or specific to a certain countries?

In Winter Solider he freaking fell out of like a four story window and the shield broke his fall. That doesn't make any sense, it's made of unbreakable steal, wouldn't it break his hand? all he did was fall on his god damn shield.

It should be like Wonder Woman's lasso who is obviously a bit of an American icon/patriotic symbol but her weapons and stuff but she stands for more then just a nation and her weapons have supernatural powers and stories behind them, instead of just like "SHIELD, AMERICA, YEAH"

But Stephen Mcfeely didn't say Libertarian. He said left wing liberal. Like a I said, best not to argue with God about the bible. This is Stephen Mcfeely we're talking about. Not some blogger online. This is THE mouth of Captain America. If a screenwriter says something about his own character, it's true wether you like it or not

 

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But Stephen Mcfeely didn't say Libertarian. He said left wing liberal. Like a I said, best not to argue with God about the bible. This is Stephen Mcfeely we're talking about. Not some blogger online. This is THE mouth of Captain America. If a screenwriter says something about his own character, it's true wether you like it or not

Well then that's just my own interpretation...I guess? with superheroes it's especially true more then most fictional characters is that they are likened to almost mythological figures in our society and thus are often to others interpretations, or at least in regards to those underlining ideals that they are supposed to represent symbolically and metaphorically.
It also wouldn't be far-fetched to think that he's trying to save face and not upset too many people in a public platform and not reveal his real beliefs entirely.
But he's not the real creator of him, if that's what you mean, but I'm pretty out of the loop sorry.

I suppose if you were to try and look at the story lines as somehow supposedly addressing real world concerns and issues that are really happening right now, then i don't think "Civil War" for example is simply a case of Liberals, versus the Conservatives really. I would see the storyline as somebody outside of the existing system entirely because they believe it has lost what it originally stood for all together and the founding or fundamental ideals it was built on in the first place and thus that is why Captain American has literally chosen to go rogue or even "undercover" and work outside of the system in the first place. Though I suppose if he was really supposed to embody America then he too would become a tarnished and forgotten idea of what it once was supposed to represent. I would also argue too perhaps Mcfeely's understanding of what those terms have come to represent have become a little out of touch or misrepresented as well.

Besides, the terms "liberal" and "conservative" have been switched around and changed so often they have lost their original meanings all together. Thus, I like to coyly imagine Tony Stark with all his savvy high-tech wizardry and fame as somebody who would more then likely represent "neo-liberalism" at it's core tenants then somebody like Steve Rogers.

It IS a popular Hollywood franchise so I see it very unlikely that he would be portrayed as a right-wing conservative...

that's true, but I kinda think that Hollywood like everywhere else goes both ways in that regard. But it's great because maybe it means that Hollywood isn't completely devoid of artistic merit or credibility.

 

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Oh and I believe that Bucky Barnes most obviously is supposed to represent or stand for "socialism" (Hence the whole red star motif) and thus, I think that gives my views more credence if anything.

But yeah maybe Rogers does represent classical liberalism more, I just don't know if I completely saw that being portrayed on screen altogether. I guess the whole concept is kind of limited.

 

[bilbotook]

Oh and I believe that Bucky Barnes most obviously is supposed to represent or stand for "socialism" (Hence the whole red star motif) and thus, I think that gives my views more credence if anything. But yeah maybe Rogers does represent classical liberalism more, I just don't know if I completely saw that being portrayed on screen altogether. I guess the whole concept is kind of limited.

I do acknowledge the fact that Captain America probably wouldn't identify himself with any political party. But think about it, when Barnes is being accused of terrorism, who do you think would be the first to start pointing fingers and saying "arrest that bastard"? The conservatives who are "tough on terrorism" or the liberals who prefer careful procedure. When Wanda Maximoff comes to America without a green card, do you think the conservatives who hate "illegals" ot the liberals who believe in open borders would forgive her for her crimes? I'm pretty sure conservatives would argue for and liberals would argue against putting her on house arrest. Just my thoughts