Ghostbusters 2016

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theme is pretty dope

 

[Tellenbach]

They should've cast the guys from Impractical Jokers. What made the original Ghostbusters work was the chemistry between the cast. It was a buddy movie. I'm hoping this cast works, but female buddy movies that work are rare. There's Thelma and Louise, Now and Then --- what else?

 

[anticlimatic]

I feel like hollywood is lagging behind the curve a bit. Feminism was all the rave in 2014, probably around the time the details of this got the green light, but it's 2016 now, and nobody really gives a shit anymore, so we have all of these relics pandering to a crowd of a few years ago to wade through. Like how commercials always play music that went out of style last year.

 

[Beorn]

Leslie Jones ain't having none of this shit.
Good for her.
She's awesome and talented and shouldn't have idiots shitting all over her work.

Leslie Jones: Ghostbusters actress hits back at critics | EW.com

If the movie sucks it won't be because of her.

 

[Patches]

I feel like remakes of films that have a kind of 'cult following' like Ghostbusters tend to be bad. This looks tacky to me. Not terribly excited.

 

[Crabs]

Leslie Jones ain't having none of this shit.
Good for her.
She's awesome and talented and shouldn't have idiots shitting all over her work.

Leslie Jones: Ghostbusters actress hits back at critics | EW.com

If the movie sucks it won't be because of her.

She definitely isn't talented and if her skin was white, I doubt you'd be defending her at all. There are, however, a number of talented black actresses whom Paul Fieg could've chosen. Naomie Harris was phenomenal in Pirates of the Caribbean. I didn't even realize until recently that she's the same actress in the last couple of Bond films, the reason being that she's actually capable of playing a range of characters. Leslie Jones, on the other hand, only ever plays an obnoxious, one-dimensional stereotype. Go ahead and throw that precious race card of yours like you always do; it's rather expected at this point and only serves to confirm your own biases. Ernie Hudson is highly respected in the Ghostbusters fan community and the color of his skin is irrelevant. He's a classy actor who played a likable character. Leslie Jones is loud and yells a lot. It's not funny and it sure as hell isn't original; that's EVERY fucking role she plays, dude. Even if Paul Fieg insisted on sticking with SNL cast members, Sasheer Zamata would've been a much better choice.

Am I to assume from the article you posted that you support the screenwriters' decision to make her character an MTA worker instead of a scientist? I can understand why Leslie Jones is defending their decision because she feels obligated to and is probably just happy to have been given the role in the first place. Or did you simply post that article because you're assuming the reason why fans don't like her character is because she's black?

For the record, since the cast was first announced, I've heard just as much criticism (if not more) about Melissa McCarthy's involvement in this movie than Leslie Jones'.

 

[Beorn]

She definitely isn't talented and if her skin was white, I doubt you'd be defending her at all. There are, however, a number of talented black actresses whom Paul Fieg could've chosen. Naomie Harris was phenomenal in Pirates of the Caribbean. I didn't even realize until recently that she's the same actress in the last couple of Bond films, the reason being that she's actually capable of playing a range of characters. Leslie Jones, on the other hand, only ever plays an obnoxious, one-dimensional stereotype. Go ahead and throw that precious race card of yours like you always do; it's rather expected at this point and only serves to confirm your own biases. Ernie Hudson is highly respected in the Ghostbusters fan community and the color of his skin is irrelevant. He's a classy actor who played a likable character. Leslie Jones is loud and yells a lot. It's not funny and it sure as hell isn't original; that's EVERY fucking role she plays, dude. Even if Paul Fieg insisted on sticking with SNL cast members, Sasheer Zamata would've been a much better choice.

Am I to assume from the article you posted that you support the screenwriters' decision to make her character an MTA worker instead of a scientist? I can understand why Leslie Jones is defending their decision because she feels obligated to and is probably just happy to have been given the role in the first place. Or did you simply post that article because you're assuming the reason why fans don't like her character is because she's black?

For the record, since the cast was first announced, I've heard just as much criticism (if not more) about Melissa McCarthy's involvement in this movie than Leslie Jones'.

What the hell are you talking about?

Do you know how ignorant you seem when every sing claim you make in a post is based off of an assumption about me?

Go ahead and throw that precious race card of yours like you always do

Seriously, wtf are you talking about.

My post was about the SJWs complaining about her part being racist.

it's rather expected at this point and only serves to confirm your own biases.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH

What are you talking about??? This whole post makes it clear you clearly are just eager for people to disagree with you and confirm your biases.



Now, please don't respond to me unless you plan on asking questions about what I think before you ignorantly attack me.

 

[Ivy]

Old old old friend of mine (I mean, in terms of duration, not in terms of his chronological age) who is also pretty knowledgeable about movies and who I'd be really, really surprised if he considered himself a feminist, had this to say about the movie and the fact that the minute and a half long trailer already has 3 times as many dislikes as it has likes on Youtube.

I don't get all the hate, I don't have any problem with this. It's a new Ghostbusters movie, and I like the Ghostbusters, I like women, and funny women are my favorite kind of women, Ivan Reitman is producing it and a lot of the original cast is going to show up apparently. Also this is the very first trailer and we've only seen about a minute and a half of the movie, and people are already judging the hell out of it. I didn't hate the trailer at all and I'm hoping for the best. Funny how some people who claim they love movies actually hate most movies, and evidently want to hate them.

 

[Crabs]

Old old old friend of mine (I mean, in terms of duration, not in terms of his chronological age) who is also pretty knowledgeable about movies and who I'd be really, really surprised if he considered himself a feminist, had this to say about the movie and the fact that the minute and a half long trailer already has 3 times as many dislikes as it has likes on Youtube.

As soon as it was announced that Paul Feig was going to be directing this film, it became readily apparent what sort of movie it would be: Bridesmaids with proton packs. He has about as much versatility in his directing as Leslie Jones does in her acting. The original Ghostbusters was not slapstick humor; it was subtle deadpan, which was fitting for the scientific characters it portrayed. Kate McKinnon is funny on SNL, but her forte is impersonations. Among the four, the only actress who could conceivably pull off the type of humor that made Ghostbusters a classic is Kristin Wiig. A number of directors turned down the opportunity to helm this project because they actually respected the property and didn't want to taint the legacy of the franchise or their reputations in the process. But not Paul Feig. He jumped at the opportunity to take a giant shit all over it for his own political motivations. He even said that he doesn't think men are funny. How the studio expected him to understand, appreciate and translate this beloved comedy for a new generation is beyond comprehension. The bottom line is, Sony has no respect for Ghostbusters. They inherited the property and saw it as a dormant source of wealth to exploit and gave it to the first asshole who volunteered. The gender swap is an obvious gimmick and a poorly executed one at that. Fans were never opposed to there being female Ghostbusters. There were already well-received female characters in other forms of media. The gender issue is a red herring. Everything about that trailer is heinous: the dialogue, the humor (or lackthereof), the overbearing CGI. A trailer is supposed to be a means of enticing people to go see a movie by putting their best foot forward; not to cause a universal gag-reflex and display how far Hollywood is willing to go to desecrate whatever original material hasn't been fully exploited yet.

I hope it ruins the careers of everyone involved. That bitch, Amy Pascal, who greenlit this horrid piece of shit already got fired as a result of the leaked Sony e-mail scandal. And you want to know an interesting piece of irony amid all that controversy?

Wikipeida

After Pascal left Sony, she was interviewed about Sony Entertainment's gender pay gap that had been exposed by the leaks. Tina Brown asked Pascal to explain why actresses did not realize they were being paid less than male actors. Pascal said, "People want to work for less money. I'll pay them less money. I don't call them up and go, 'Can I give you some more?' ... what women have to do is not work for less money.... People should know what they're worth and say no."

Women making less than their male counterparts and male co-stars learned of the difference from the hack, such as actress Charlize Theron, who had been able to obtain an additional $10 million in early January 2015 to match the fee of Chris Hemsworth, her male co-star in The Huntsman film production.[75] Gender pay discrimination was pervasive at Sony Pictures under Pascal, with only one of the seventeen studio executives earning more than $1 million per year being female according to the unconfirmed emails, and Columbia Pictures co-presidents of production Michael De Luca and Hannah Minghella serving in identical jobs but with a million dollar difference in pay.

 

[Ivy]

I guess Ivan Reitman has no respect for Ghostbusters since he's producing the new film. I guess also Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Sigourney Weaver and Annie Potts have no respect for Ghostbusters since they've agreed to be in the new film. Maybe Rick Moranis is the only person left from the original lineup that has respect for Ghostbusters since he's apparently the only one that declined the invitation to be in the new one.

 

[Crabs]

I guess Ivan Reitman has no respect for Ghostbusters since he's producing the new film. I guess also Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Sigourney Weaver and Annie Potts have no respect for Ghostbusters since they've agreed to be in the new film. Maybe Rick Moranis is the only person left from the original lineup that has respect for Ghostbusters since he's apparently the only one that declined the invitation to be in the new one.

Ivan Reitman's involvement in the film is very minimal and Sony made sure of that. Dan Aykroyd has been trying to get a third movie made for decades and was hoping this would jump-start a Marvel/DC-like universe. Ernie Hudson expressed his disapproval as soon as the details were revealed, but was persuaded by the studio to change his mind a few days later. All of the actors you mentioned have cameo roles that are NOT the same characters from the first two movies. As if this premise could get any more retarded. It's not a sequel and allegedly doesn't take place in the same universe as the originals, though the intro to the trailer deceptively implies some chronological relation. It just happens to have Slimer and a number of other features from the first two movies. Just because an actor makes a cameo appearance doesn't mean they are privy to all the details of the production or what the end result will be. Bill Murray was pretty vocal about his disappointment with Ghostbusters II after the CGI effects were added, and the mediocre reviews were one reason why he refused to do a third movie. I wouldn't expect any of the actors to come out and publicly admit their disappointment; there's too much politics involved. But this movie is clearly not being well-received thus far. I just hope critics don't bow down to the PC gods and give it extra brownie points for its progressive agenda to counter the negative attention it's already receiving.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

I just wish I could hate on it, as I tend to do with any remake/reboot of a beloved childhood film, without people assuming I'm a misogynist. C'mon, really? I'm the kid who used to pretend to be Lt. Ripley when I was 10, so fuck off. I like Kristin Wiig, Melissa McCarthy is OKAY, less familiar with Leslie, and the lady with Egon hair looks fun. I just think the movie, overall, looks stupid and unimaginative, and maybe, just maybe I'll be wrong. I was wrong about Dawn of the Dead 2004, a film that paid proper respect to the original while becoming a stand alone classic in its own right. Maybe I'll be wrong here, but I have a feeling it will not tank, but underperform at the box office, then do well with rentals and streaming sales. It will be forgotten in 5 years and I don't see anyone placing this on their new classics lists next to the original.

The door was closed on a proper sequel, and there was still high interest for one from many fans. I think Murray would've come around, eventually, and they could've done it without Harold Ramis. See my earlier post about my idea for the ideal sequel setup. Some of the actresses from this potential abomination may have even been well used in a real sequel.

The misogynistic fans railing against this are a small sliver of the fanbase, and in no way representative of most fans, and I think SJW journalists are purposefully overplaying and overstating their anger. We can blame these asshats for politicizing the film, but we should also place a share of the blame on the reaction from SJWs who are reacting and amplifying these guys' statements.

Ironically, the people who are pissed about this film and want to politicize it are only generating more interest in it. Who needs an ad campaign when you can just post your trailer and let the social media take over from there. There is no such thing as bad exposure.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Next someone will remake Big Trouble in Little China. It will probably star Channing Tatum and Harold Cho; I will kill myself. It's only a matter of time, and there's been a trend of ruining other Carpenter films with shitty remakes.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

The Original Ghostbusters Is A Crime Against Women | The Daily Caller

 

[Magic Poriferan]

I thought Ghostbusters 2 was kind a big step down from the first one. Then some people, particularly Murray, were disinterested in continuing and as more and more time passed the idea seemed less and less reasonable. The first movie is probably one of the most quotable films ever made, and also, if you actually try to think about the movie like you'd never heard of it before, you realize that it's actually really fucking weird and kind of a surprise success. Personally, I'd be much more content with there never being another movie (perhaps there never having been a second one). So when I said I've been opposed to the idea for a long time, I meant pretty much as long as I've been old enough to form a genuine opinion on such things.

Public dialogues like this are incredibly annoying because it feels like I am told to either defend a movie that I don't think is a good idea or side with a bunch of people who hate feminism if not women in general. Between the two, the latter is worse, but I shouldn't have to pick between the two. Of course we haven't seen the movie yet. Maybe it's good, against my expectations. What if it isn't? And I have to say, even I've seen things from people indicating that some will take any criticism of the film to be automatically sexist. That does not appear to be a false charge. When it comes to confronting all of the sexist hostility toward the film, being able to acknowledge that it might just suck would be helpful than harmful.

Next someone will remake Big Trouble in Little China. It will probably star Channing Tatum and Harold Cho; I will kill myself. It's only a matter of time, and there's been a trend of ruining other Carpenter films with shitty remakes.

There's been an official interest in remaking that for about a year now.

The misogynistic fans railing against this are a small sliver of the fanbase, and in no way representative of most fans, and I think SJW journalists are purposefully overplaying and overstating their anger. We can blame these asshats for politicizing the film, but we should also place a share of the blame on the reaction from SJWs who are reacting and amplifying these guys' statements.

They don't seem too scare to me. The sexists seem common enough, certainly loud enough, to warrant a rebuttal. And I rarely subscribe to the better course of action is to remain silent, or that those who speak are responsible for their opposition.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

There's been an official interest in remaking that for about a year now.

Actually it's been discussed for years. Carpenter has expressed interest in being involved in either a sequel or remake.

What makes the original great is that it isn't necessarily an original film, but it cleverly blended and bended old tropes and genres (it was originally written as a western, btw).

It also played with traditional hollywood portrayals of the hero/sidekick dynamic...Jack Burton believes he is the hero and Wang the sidekick, and that's what makes it so funny, because everyone (the other characters and the audience) but he is in on the joke that Wang is in fact the competent hero (even his struggle is more important, since he needs to save his fiance; Jack just needs to get his truck back) and Jack just the bumbling comic relief.

It was almost too clever, because apparently the joke was lost on initial audiences as well as the studio heads. There was also some outcry from the Asian-American community upon the film's release that it was just another example of the white guy being the hero who has to help the inept chinese people defeat the evil LoPan. Clearly they didn't watch the movie, because it was anything but that. Now, if it had been released in this age, I think the people we'd be most likely to hear complain would be white men whining that male heroes are increasingly being portrayed as bumbling oafs. People read too much into movies.

I digressed a bit, but a BTILC remake will not be as good as the original. Star Wars wasn't the most original film and borrowed heavily from Kurosawa and mythology, but it wasn't done in a cut-and-paste manner, nor was BTILC, however plenty of SW copycat films popped up in the late 70s and early 80s, and most sank into obscurity. Also, look at the rash of apocalypse action films that popped up in the 80s--how many can we name? Mad Max will be the most recognizable, because the rest were just silly attempts to copy George Miller's formula.

For similar reasons, remakes are hard to pull off. Usually the films being remade weren't necessarily the most original to begin with, but they were fresh and unique takes on old ideas and genres. When people remake those kinds of films, they are already limiting themselves to very specific parameters. Hew too closely to said parameters and people will bash your film as a pointless or unnecessary remake because it will lack the nostalgia factor and originality; veer outside those parameters too greatly and people will bash it for being "nothing like the original." It's a lose-lose, and few remakes are ever as memorable as the originals. A good example of this conundrum would be King Kong. I'm sure GB will be alright, but I think it's obvious it will be little more than a hollow echo of the original.

 

[Crabs]

Stay Puft's reaction to the Ghostbusters '16 trailer

 

[Crabs]

It's not about the womenz.

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

[MENTION=23796]Crabs[/MENTION] Why do you hate women so much?

 

[Crabs]

[MENTION=23796]Crabs[/MENTION] Why do you hate women so much?

Because they ruined Ghostbusters.