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Se or Ne? Neither? Help? (This is long. Too long for most)

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I've been typed by others as ISTP and INTP over the past few months. I'll go with it for a while, but it never seems right. I need to know the truth.

I'm just going to list things about myself. It's not going to be short, but this seems to be the only way I can give people a good idea of who I am.

I believe I'm a grounded and realistic person with good focus on what interests me.
I have good problem solving abilities, and I enjoy coming up with new ways to do things.
I don't actually like to use my imagination too much, instead preferring to focus on what I can actually work with in the real world.
The only toys I really liked as a kid were legos. I would build them and just leave them on the shelf. I didn't understand how people could play with them. I viewed them as display pieces that were fun to put together.
I'm apparently the only one in my family who can put anything together from furniture to computers.
I make references to things that seem obscure, though I can't think of any examples right now.
My memory is not the best. Everything goes into long term storage as a scene or picture. I'm terrible with names and dates. I often don't know what day it is, and I don't even remember what I did yesterday. I do remember things that others may think of as odd though.
I walk out of conversations without really remembering what was said, only the main point and if the tone of it was good or bad.
As I've told friends "I'm good at theoretically understanding how things work". Systems seem to make sense to me, and that's how I got my job as a programmer.
To understand a detail, I must first understand the theory or bigger picture first.
I greatly prefer hands on learning.
When it comes to troubleshooting I have to be there. I have a trial and error approach so I need to work with things directly.
When it comes to ideas, I can usually only manage one. That one generally just appears out of nowhere when I'm not actually thinking about it.
A big thing I don't relate to Ne about is that I'm not into 'possibilities'. I see one course of action and go for it, if I so choose.
I am not at all a planner. I prefer to wing just about everything.
I can be impulsive, but I suppose that is only because I'm doing well enough financially.
I eat when I'm bored. Once I get in the mood for a particular food, I obsess until I have it, and over indulge.
I tend to revisit the same places. For food, I have favorite places, but so does everyone. I'm limited in what I can eat due to hypersensitivity to textures. I still go to the same hair place even though I've moved because I have anxiety about the people at the one closer to me. Honestly, I hate going in public in general.
I'm easily bored. I need something that is casually challenging. More so mentally than physically.
I despised high school, and didn't really try except for my electives which included: 3D Animation, woodshop, CADD, guitar, and graphic design
I mostly drew pictures in class, and I brought my guitar to play at lunch. I had a battery powered 5w amp that likely pissed some people off.
I'm generous to my friend...s.
I'm horrendously out of shape right now. (6' 230 lbs.) It really brings me down, but I have poor control over myself with food and I find exercise boring and repetitive. I don't really have any support at the moment. I live alone, with one friend who goes to movies with me. My parents live a state away.
When I am in shape I can't hold still. I feel 'tingly' like I need to move. I enjoyed hiking and tennis primarily.
I did Insanity a couple years ago and felt so amazing. The balance and strength I had brings a tear to my eye.
I'm extremely competitive. We had a weight loss challenge and I refused to eat for the last 5 days because I knew it was going to be close and needed the extra edge.
I learn things very quickly. As an example, my ISTJ cousin taught me to play chess last year. After 2 losses and a draw, I have beat her on every game since. My 3D animation teacher told me I was the best first year student he had ever had. And I impressed several programmers with my understanding of the language.
I'm awkward as hell. A cashier asked me how good some cookies were and I told her that I didn't know how to quantify the deliciousness of a cookie.
I love driving fast. I'm good at charting the course and judging how much time and space I have. I would honestly be a stunt driver if I could. The top speed I've ever reached was 140 on the highway.
In spite of that, I've only been pulled over once. I always notice cops immediately, and this was no exception. He was busy with someone else so I thought I was fine. About 10 minutes later he pulled up behind me. I only got a warning though because I tend to seem innocent. I'm not sure if this is a natural reaction or learned manipulation.
I liked stealing things back when I was in school. I won't mention what.
I don't drink or do drugs. I've smoked weed and gotten drunk before, but I'm not really into it. I tend to become addicted to things easily and I don't want to be dependent(psychologically or physically) on anything.
What I currently do with my time is play guitar, bass, and video games, I sing, read, and watch way too many movies.
I'd like to go rock climbing someday.
I'm attracted to stranger things. Abnormal excites me as it isn't expected.

When I'm with people close I can sometimes seem crazy. I'll start talking in voices and making up accents or do impressions. I'll say somewhat odd things. Example:
Trust the words of Qui-Gon
Mr. Jinn
"Mr. Jinn was my father, call me Qui-Gon"
"Okay Quasimodo"
Imagine Qui-Gon using the force and Frollo's reaction
"WITCHCRAFT!"
I weirded some people out with that one.

I hate just about any sport other than tennis. Boring to watch, and I won't play them as I am anti-team. I like to do things myself, on my own, without help.
If you're aware of the multiple intelligences theory, my top three are visual/spatial, logical/mathematical, and intrapersonal. My lowest are probably naturalist and interpersonal
I think there are a lot of people who are overly sensitive
With that said, I do have somewhat of an anger problem
I don't care to control people. I just like to do my own thing.
I will not be controlled either. I don't really do anything to cause upset, but I don't respond well when people try to control me.
I come in late to work everyday because it saves me gas, puts me in a better mood, and clears my head more. My employer can't even object because they believe I'm too valuable and their attempts at changing it failed already.
Back when I was a manual laborer I'd do donuts in the forklift. Flipping it at the last second in the middle of a bunch of boxes. I was known as the best [insert tongue face here]
I hate emojis.
I like to see results of my efforts.
I bought a $400 lightsaber on a whim.
I need an aesthetically pleasing environment. I can't work or focus if I don't like my surroundings.
I'm lazy as hell.
I like rewatching movies. I don't usually have the patience to rewatch shows unless I just want background noise.
People would describe me as unadventurous, and I'm somewhat inclined to agree. I'm not huge on thrills save for driving.
I live in a family of STJs/Te-Si users and I find their way of looking at things to be very dogmatic, and they romanticize the past way too much.
I will recall things from the past, and I can have triggers (like driving down the street my bus used to go after not being there for 5 years) but I don't look back on the past in such an idealistic way. Despite my taste for specific things and coming back to them, I have always preferred to move forward. Maybe because I never really fit in. I only ever really had one friend at a time.
I'd describe myself as primarily present-oriented with a tie on past and future.
I'm always aware of the consequences of my actions. I didn't get into much trouble as a kid because I knew what I could get away with. I also never got into a fight at high school even though I really wanted to at times.
My gym teachers hated me because I'd refuse to participate.


THAT'LL DO PIG.
 

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ISTP... seems clear to me

I think my biggest issue is that I'm not an adventurous spirit and of all the IxTx descriptions, I relate to ISTP the least-ish. They focus so much on Se it seems. I'm not this coordinated athletic god. Quite the opposite honestly. I can't even catch a ball. Also my more quirky side seems not very ISTP. My life is so monotonous, and it's boring but I don't do anything about it.
 

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ISTP.

Descriptions are so inflated, being an INFJ you don't know how much crap is legit and what isn't.

Any one's type can be boring or fun. It's what you do with it. :)
 

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I think my biggest issue is that I'm not an adventurous spirit and of all the IxTx descriptions, I relate to ISTP the least-ish. They focus so much on Se it seems. I'm not this coordinated athletic god. Quite the opposite honestly. I can't even catch a ball. Also my more quirky side seems not very ISTP. My life is so monotonous, and it's boring but I don't do anything about it.

Descriptions are often very bad. You are a natural troubleshooter. You solve problems using what is in front of you. Chess is a game with finite possibilities and everything is in front of you. Se is also indulgent behavior in the moment, like the lightsaber.

Se is about your interaction to your immediate world, what is directly in front of you. Not every Se dom will be equally talented in the same way.
 

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Descriptions are often very bad. You are a natural troubleshooter. You solve problems using what is in front of you. Chess is a game with finite possibilities and everything is in front of you. Se is also indulgent behavior in the moment, like the lightsaber.

Se is about your interaction to your immediate world, what is directly in front of you. Not every Se dom will be equally talented in the same way.

I definitely relate to that much of it. The descriptions have really messed me up I guess. People see me as someone who doesn't like trying new things, and they're somewhat correct. I always thought that was an Se thing though. I relate to INTP descriptions except for the Ne, and ISTP except for the Se thrill seeking.
 

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It always seemed like I used some sort of Si, with my random memories, revisiting places, rewatching movies, and the occasional nostalgia. Is that just a different function then?
 

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Thought of something else. People consider me to be judgmental and not accepting of others. I hold a certain standard when it comes to competency and intelligence that most fail to live up to. I think that the people I know (who are typed as ENFJ, ISTJx5, ESFJ, and ISFP) are more judgmental than me. They judge from a moral stance. In the case of the ISFP, she judges superficially and she has an inflated ego. I don't call people idiots to their face, and actually I don't even care if I'm talking to them. It's only when I'm completely detached that I judge from afar

I find routine boring, even if I often end up falling into one. I end up frustrated with life and bored out of my mind.
My humor can be referential, dark, sardonic, sexual, inappropriate, random, or quirky.
I deal with boredom or stress by eating
I avoid conflict
The phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it" goes against everything I stand for.
 

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ISTP. You might have some Se/Ni balance, though. I'm the same (balanced middle functions).
 

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Sound like what people would pick as ISTP. Will read it all when I get a chance. Need more then what I read to determine. Sound S though and introverted. Alot of similarities with me, need to dig into the more internal aspect of who you are. I personally am not a thrill seeker either, I just enjoy physical things and pushing myself physically. I don't care about "thrill".
 

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This is likely irrelevant, but I had some people I know compare me to different characters. I put what they're most commonly typed as:
Dexter - Dexter Morgan ( ISTJ // INTJ )
Dexter's Lab - Dexter ( INTJ // INTP )
Doctor Who - 12 ( INTJ // INTP )
Sylar ( INTJ // INTP // ISTP // ENTJ )
Friends - Chandler ( ENTP // INTP )
The Great Mouse Detective - Basil ( INTJ )
Sherlock BBC -Sherlock ( INTJ // INTP // ISTP )

I guess I come off as an NT
 

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This is likely irrelevant, but I had some people I know compare me to different characters. I put what they're most commonly typed as:
Dexter - Dexter Morgan ( ISTJ // INTJ )
Dexter's Lab - Dexter ( INTJ // INTP )
Doctor Who - 12 ( INTJ // INTP )
Sylar ( INTJ // INTP // ISTP // ENTJ )
Friends - Chandler ( ENTP // INTP )
The Great Mouse Detective - Basil ( INTJ )
Sherlock BBC -Sherlock ( INTJ // INTP // ISTP )

I guess I come off as an NT

Lots of ISTPs come off as NTs..................
 
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You definitely descibe ISTP tendencies.
 

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Sound like what people would pick as ISTP. Will read it all when I get a chance. Need more then what I read to determine. Sound S though and introverted. Alot of similarities with me, need to dig into the more internal aspect of who you are. I personally am not a thrill seeker either, I just enjoy physical things and pushing myself physically. I don't care about "thrill".

I don't really push myself physically either. I have a few times in my life, but I'm really a couch potato who refuses to get up. I suppose pushing yourself when you're majorly out of shape isn't much fun for anyone though. I could actually enjoy that physicality, but again, doesn't everyone? I have the desire, but I lack the will power. I struggle with maintaining my weight because of my diet. I've fluctuated between 150 and 235 over the past 4 years.
 

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I don't really push myself physically either. I have a few times in my life, but I'm really a couch potato who refuses to get up. I suppose pushing yourself when you're majorly out of shape isn't much fun for anyone though. I could actually enjoy that physicality, but again, doesn't everyone? I have the desire, but I lack the will power. I struggle with maintaining my weight because of my diet. I've fluctuated between 150 and 235 over the past 4 years.

Pretty much every STP I know is physically active. It's possible not to be. But we love just being up and out and about. We have issues being couped up for to long. Even when depressed I still don't sit around and do nothing, I may sleep quite a bit more. But I am still physically active. I am at my laziest I have been in awhile and I am still not a couch potato. I drive my dad nuts because when I get bored I roam his house looking for something to do. As a kid my fall back was bouncing a ball walking around the kitchen island, taking a board and putting a nail in it slightly then flip it over so head of nail is pushing against ground and practice hitting the board driving the nail through it, go for a bike ride, anything physical. I still have to break free if I am coupled up to long and get out and about. Most STP's I know are like that as well. I have went from 130 lbs in high school to 210 back to 170 and back up at 210 right now. Still active and push myself though. When I had a personal trainer she really learned that big does not equal lack of endurance as much as other people believe it to be. I couldn't go as long as she could, but I had power and somewhat of an endurance. I worked out benching just over 200 lbs(8-10reps for sets, not max) yet I could manage to do an hours worth of core cardiovascular as well though I was physicall destroyed afterward. I still wasn't ripped or anything, just solid with a layer of fat over it.

I havnt worked out in about a year now, been busy. I am still very active though and always doing things.
 

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Pretty much every STP I know is physically active. It's possible not to be. But we love just being up and out and about. We have issues being couped up for to long. Even when depressed I still don't sit around and do nothing, I may sleep quite a bit more. But I am still physically active. I am at my laziest I have been in awhile and I am still not a couch potato. I drive my dad nuts because when I get bored I roam his house looking for something to do. As a kid my fall back was bouncing a ball walking around the kitchen island, taking a board and putting a nail in it slightly then flip it over so head of nail is pushing against ground and practice hitting the board driving the nail through it, go for a bike ride, anything physical. I still have to break free if I am coupled up to long and get out and about. Most STP's I know are like that as well. I have went from 130 lbs in high school to 210 back to 170 and back up at 210 right now. Still active and push myself though. When I had a personal trainer she really learned that big does not equal lack of endurance as much as other people believe it to be. I couldn't go as long as she could, but I had power and somewhat of an endurance. I worked out benching just over 200 lbs(8-10reps for sets, not max) yet I could manage to do an hours worth of core cardiovascular as well though I was physicall destroyed afterward. I still wasn't ripped or anything, just solid with a layer of fat over it.

I haven't worked out in about a year now, been busy. I am still very active though and always doing things.

And that is why I can't relate to ISTP profiles. Honestly, I can't relate to most profiles that talk about traits of the auxiliary extraverted function. I relate a lot to Ti, and I relate to inferior Fe to an extent. The descriptions of inferior Se sound most like me, but if that's my inferior, I've spent most of my life in the grip with varying extremes. I've considered ISTJ, but that seems way off as I hate routine, planning, and repetition. I want to improve things rather than keep them the same. I challenge traditions and don't hold any of my own. I'm impulsive. yada yada yada
I was initially typed as INTJ, but I don't concern myself with the future. Again, I don't plan. I have no 'great leader' inside of me. I feel awkward trying to direct people because I think they should just figure it out for themselves and it's not really my place to control them.
Then I tried INTP, but Ne sounds so scattered. I can string thoughts together if I try, but I will usually just have one and build on that. I'm not unrealistic at all. I dive deep into things without getting sidetracked. I'm too pragmatic. I'm extremely aware of my surroundings. I surprise people sometimes with this. It makes it very difficult to sneak up on me or surprise me.
As for ISTP, I relate to the observant side of Se, but not the action and physical side.

So that covers Te, Ne, and Se. Fe isn't even worth considering.
 

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And that is why I can't relate to ISTP profiles. Honestly, I can't relate to most profiles that talk about traits of the auxiliary extraverted function. I relate a lot to Ti, and I relate to inferior Fe to an extent. The descriptions of inferior Se sound most like me, but if that's my inferior, I've spent most of my life in the grip with varying extremes. I've considered ISTJ, but that seems way off as I hate routine, planning, and repetition. I want to improve things rather than keep them the same. I challenge traditions and don't hold any of my own. I'm impulsive. yada yada yada
I was initially typed as INTJ, but I don't concern myself with the future. Again, I don't plan. I have no 'great leader' inside of me. I feel awkward trying to direct people because I think they should just figure it out for themselves and it's not really my place to control them.
Then I tried INTP, but Ne sounds so scattered. I can string thoughts together if I try, but I will usually just have one and build on that. I'm not unrealistic at all. I dive deep into things without getting sidetracked. I'm too pragmatic. I'm extremely aware of my surroundings. I surprise people sometimes with this. It makes it very difficult to sneak up on me or surprise me.
As for ISTP, I relate to the observant side of Se, but not the action and physical side.

So that covers Te, Ne, and Se. Fe isn't even worth considering.

Head into the ISTJ subforum and see how you fit in and how you dont. I went to an INTP forum and felt so out of place in analyzing things. We went about everything backwards. Then try INTJ subforum if ISTJ doesn't fit. I would say try ISTP except we are not very active in there. I don't know about other SPs, but talking about this stuff in a personal manner gets boring. I am who I am irregardless and I know who I am it's for other benefit. Who I am personality wise doesn't define me, I define who I am irregardless of all of this. I am not here to find myself. If we all hold this view the subforum kinda dies and we scatter about elsewhere with the rest of the forum. Plus we would rather be out and about then just talking about it. I don't mind talking about others in this manner though, just not myself. I don't interest myself I guess. Back to I am who I am and I know myself.

What do you enjoy most about TV? Is it the feelings it creates in you? What does it do for you that you enjoy, not external details about the movie. What does it do personally, the details about the movie should be supporting details, not the main focus.
 

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Head into the ISTJ subforum and see how you fit in and how you dont. I went to an INTP forum and felt so out of place in analyzing things. We went about everything backwards. Then try INTJ subforum if ISTJ doesn't fit. I would say try ISTP except we are not very active in there. I don't know about other SPs, but talking about this stuff in a personal manner gets boring. I am who I am irregardless and I know who I am it's for other benefit. Who I am personality wise doesn't define me, I define who I am irregardless of all of this. I am not here to find myself. If we all hold this view the subforum kinda dies and we scatter about elsewhere with the rest of the forum. Plus we would rather be out and about then just talking about it. I don't mind talking about others in this manner though, just not myself. I don't interest myself I guess. Back to I am who I am and I know myself.

What do you enjoy most about TV? Is it the feelings it creates in you? What does it do for you that you enjoy, not external details about the movie. What does it do personally, the details about the movie should be supporting details, not the main focus.

I haven't really lurked around here, but I've spent time in groups on reddit, the subs on personalitycafe, and groups on facebook. I'd say the only groups I didn't really enjoy were the ISTJ ones. They were just..uninteresting. The INTJ groups that actually had INTJs were good. The INTP groups that didn't revolve around trolling were interesting. Although I did want a slightly more focused atmosphere. The ISTP ones were also good, probably because there's a focus on their Ti and Ni online.

This is hard to answer. I watch TV because it's easy entertainment. I enjoy the visual stimulation. Most of the shows I watch I don't really have to pay attention to. I'll be reading up on whatever I'm interested in at the moment while the show is going.

I've never really thought about why I enjoy movies. It likely is the feelings they give me. I like a good story, but I prefer to receive it through visuals. I like reading, but I have a hard time committing to it.
 

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I've never really thought about why I enjoy movies. It likely is the feelings they give me. I like a good story, but I prefer to receive it through visuals. I like reading, but I have a hard time committing to it.

What feelings do they give you? What are you looking to feel when you put in a movie?
 
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