Stanton Moore
morose bourgeoisie
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Nigella Lawson is just sexy...her voice is hypnotic too..
Sorry, but that's an awful lot of generalization. All chefs don't have to be Guardians or use Si.Hi Eric,
No disrespect. But I have to agree to disagree with you. Here's why:
All of the SJ types are called: The Guardians or the Traditionalists. They
believe in conforming to a system that is already in place and being apart
of that system. The cooks, chefs, judges on Food Network and on the
cooking shows of the PBS CreateTV network are mostly SJs. And being
any SJ type means having Si (Introverted Sensing). Introverted Sensor
types care about making sure what is in the present conforms to what
they remember from the past. Cooking is one of the traditional/guardian
ways to recreate something from the past into present.
The majority of the population is SJ type, with SP coming in second.
NF is 3rd with NT coming in dead last.
Traits of Introverted Sensing types (SJ types):
- Loves cooking amateur or professional (CHEF)
- Loves to watch sports on TV or in a stadium/arena (However, hates participating)
- Loves to compare past events taken in thru the 5-senses with what is current/present.
- Loves to accumulate flashy objects/possessions for showing off (sounds Se, but is actually Si-Te-Ne combo)
(SJ men like sporty/flashy cars that are usually older models vehicles to attract attention/mate)
There are other types that have Si, but its much weaker in those outside of the SJ temperment:
- INFP (Si is #3)
- ENFP (Si is #4)
- INTP (Si is #3)
- ENTP (Si is #4)
There are no Si types in the SP temperment. SPs are all Extroverted Sensor types. Extroverted
Sensing is very different (Se):
- Lives in the Moment (The Here -and- Now)
- Does NOT care about the past or the future.
- Lives in the great outdoors/everything outside
- Loves PARTICIPATING in sports/outdoor activities. (not caring about WATCHING sports)
- Likes to Gamble / Risk Taker / Takes Chances / Bends the Rules
- 'Rules are just Guidelines'
- Adventurous / Traveler
- Likes to be UP close and personal (In Your Face mentality)
- Can be Fearless
- Likes outdoor hobbies
- Likes exercising outdoors / bike rides / jogging-running / in the parks & trails
*OASN* One weird little quirk I have noticed with ESTJs. Maybe its just the ones I know.
They appear to have a Spontaneous side to them. A tiny little 'Living-In-The-Moment' in
them. I think I know where its coming from. I think its their Extroverted Intuition (Ne).
Even though ESTJs have Ne as their #3 function, which is weaker. I see it some of the time
in my ESTJ co-worker (Who is NOT a supervisor/manager, thank god). She is so mean,
vicious, calious, so Si dominate with NO nearly no feeling function. She can not improvise
on anything. Everything has to be done by-the-book, and in sequence. If you violate that,
watch out. She will: SNAP-YOU-OUT, per say. She gets under people's skin with her must
do everything according to the posted guidelines at all times, and you will not deviate. Or risk her
fury. This is why I am certain of Gordon Ramsey being ESTJ. Not ENTJ. I have an ENTJ boss.
He is a good manager at my workplace. He is HSP (Highly Sensitive Person). He is to the point,
cuts thru the chase, polite, soft spoken, understanding, willing to give to get. He is willing to bend
the rules if it will result in more productivity. ESTJs will NOT bend the rules or allow the rules to
be bent <period>. ESTJ's motto is: Conform to the System and get back to work.
The ESTJ I work with. She is a vicious B****. Gordon Ramsey is a cruel, vicious B******.
SJ types make the best homemakers, especially with the wife duties. Cooking. Cleaning.
etc. They do have their place in society and working under an established system. I think
it has everything to do with Si (Introverted Sensing). I think most female SJ types are the
ones with the stronger FEELING side: ISFJ & ESFJ. This is typical of what I see at home
and at work:
- I have (2) ISFJ sister-in-laws
- I have (1) ESFJ female co-worker
- I have (1) ESTJ female co-worker (She is so hated by many)
(I pray to god that my female ESTJ co-worker never becomes a supervisor/manager)
Most of the male SJs are the ISTJ & ESTJ. Which is why women constantly tell the
majority of men in our society: You men are JERKS!!!! SJs dominate society. And
men dominate in the SJ catagory. So, there you go.
I think Rachael Ray has Si. I personally think she is an ENFP rather than an ESFJ or
ENTP. The ENTPs I know are skinny little twigs (body frame is very small, very tiny,
very petite) with Si as the #4 function. My niece is an ENTP, she is the skinniest
little thing. Rachael Ray has a nice more rounded body frame. I will not lean
towards Si as the #4 weakest function in Rachael. So, she is not ENTP.
Cooking is very dominate in Rachael. I think like-wise, Si is DOMINATE in her which
would make her a Guardian/Traditionalist. A 'guardian' of the established system.
Traditional type homemaker. She is Extroverted. And she has that strong female
like quality of strong FEELING that seems extroverted too. So, I say ESFJ. As ESFJ
she does have Ne as #3, so she can be Spontaneous with the weaker Extroverted
Intuition just as my co-worker ESTJ shows. Ne can be spontaneous and
'Living-in-the-Moment'-Like.
Sorry, but that's an awful lot of generalization. All chefs don't have to be Guardians or use Si.
Also, you're saying she's both ENFP and ESFJ.
She seems to be a very “in the moment†kind of person. Anyone can reference the past. That doesn't make them an Si “userâ€.
When you say "VALUE", you are speaking of JUDGMENT, for another word for "judgment" is "eVALUation".
I believe what you describe there is auxiliary Ti, and another good evidence of her as a Thinker. (with internalized standards for the logical evaluation). Finding cheaper values is LOGICal! It's not Sensory.
Si would only provide an internal storehouse of knowledge of how to find good deals. It does not itself evaluate; it only takes in and filters the information.
While Se by itself would not care about maximum value, it is the auxiliary Ti that provides the rational assessment, and she is in her 40's, so it will be well developed and mature.
Hopping from store to store also sounds like Se. I've never really watched that show, so I don't know the details of what she's doing, but I've had explained to me that Se deals in "possibilities" as well. Possibilities of what's tangibly present, rather than conceptualizations of what could be. Does she set out saying "I wonder what each store charges, or which one is cheaper?", and then make the leap into the 'unknown'; or does she know what the stores charge, and simply pick out of them the most possible cheapest deals? That would be Se.
Raymond's mother is an ESTJ (Choleric Melancholy), and her sense of family would be what is more Si; not Fe. That's obviously at the bottom of her unconscious (#8 "Demonic Personality"), as she does not really merge with the personal values of the environment around her; she tries to force her own [semi-conscious] values (inferior Fi) through impersonal control (dom. Te; including ordering the environment such as cooking, etc).
Female STJ's often look a lot like Feelers.
You say they're both the same type, but they are very different from each other. They are both EST "In Charge" Interaction Style, but Rache has more of a people-focus and light-and-airiness because of the P, where Raymond's mother is a strictly task-focused TJ who only uses people for her goals.
SJ's might clip coupons, because of how they were taught to shop. That doesn't mean SP's will never do it, and we weren't talking about coupons; you mentioned Rachel Ray going to different stores for cheaper prices. That might not be any such Si-esque "rote"; she probably knew about the deals, and just went after them.
This is all "theory" about things that occur in the "real world".
When you say "VALUE", you are speaking of JUDGMENT, for another word for "judgment" is "eVALUation".
I believe what you describe there is auxiliary Ti, and another good evidence of her as a Thinker. (with internalized standards for the logical evaluation). Finding cheaper values is LOGICal! It's not Sensory.
Si would only provide an internal storehouse of knowledge of how to find good deals. It does not itself evaluate; it only takes in and filters the information.
While Se by itself would not care about maximum value, it is the auxiliary Ti that provides the rational assessment, and she is in her 40's, so it will be well developed and mature.
Hopping from store to store also sounds like Se. I've never really watched that show, so I don't know the details of what she's doing, but I've had explained to me that Se deals in "possibilities" as well. Possibilities of what's tangibly present, rather than conceptualizations of what could be. Does she set out saying "I wonder what each store charges, or which one is cheaper?", and then make the leap into the 'unknown'; or does she know what the stores charge, and simply pick out of them the most possible cheapest deals? That would be Se.
Raymond's mother is an ESTJ (Choleric Melancholy), and her sense of family would be what is more Si; not Fe. That's obviously at the bottom of her unconscious (#8 "Demonic Personality"), as she does not really merge with the personal values of the environment around her; she tries to force her own [semi-conscious] values (inferior Fi) through impersonal control (dom. Te; including ordering the environment such as cooking, etc).
Female STJ's often look a lot like Feelers.
You say they're both the same type, but they are very different from each other. They are both EST "In Charge" Interaction Style, but Rache has more of a people-focus and light-and-airiness because of the P, where Raymond's mother is a strictly task-focused TJ who only uses people for her goals.
I can SPEED READ a person in seconds. Not minutes like it would take most people because they have to use their THINKING function. I can do it in seconds thanks to my Ni.
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Um: You were saying about Marie Barone being something other than ESFJ? Take a look at this translated document:
http://translate.google.com/transla...a=X&ei=OgFOUI_dEoiE2QW1-oHwCQ&ved=0CDIQ7gEwAg
Please, stop using theory (thinking). Trust in your Intuition (Use the Force, see the patterns, connect the dots, grasp the big picture). I know you are
INTP and have the opposite Intuition of me. But trust in it. Give your thinking side a rest. Let your Extroverted side guide you. The Intuition and Feeling sides of you. I am INFJ, intuition & feeling is what I am all about.
You know I want to put this to the test, it's a bold claim.
Can you type me from my videos? http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56239
And the award goes to...
Well, your indicator says ESFJ. But I think your Extroverted Intuition is quite a bit stronger. In fact, OVER THE TOP dominate.
A Ne of #3 (ESFJ) or #4 (ISFJ) seems to too low in the video. A Ne of #2 (INFP or INTP) is still too low. You seem to
be portraying a:
- ENFP or INFP (A lean towards ENFP-HSP type that has gone horribly wrong with possible bi-polar crazy in the mix)
- ENTP or INTP (A lean towards ENTP-HSP type that has gone horribly wrong with possible bi-polar crazy in the mix)
- ESFJ or ISFJ (but that craziness of YOU bouncing around all over god's green earth says: out of control
OVER THE TOP Extroverted Intuition) The Ne in regular ISFJ/ESFJs are WEAK in them. They are bouncy, but NOT
that bouncy. You are spilling your Extroverted Intuition all over god's green earth. ISFJ/ESFJ do not know how to
use their Ne effectively. You are literally BLEEDING your Ne all over the place. My niece is an ENTP, and I have seen
her DOMINATE Extroverted Intuition in action. Your's is stronger than her's, and for her its #1. You are HSP (Highly
Sensitive Person) or portray one. Its mostly the ENFJ, ENFP, ENTJ, ENTP type Extroverts that are HSP types. Mostly
the VERY STRONG Intuitive type Extroverts that show the HSP characteristics. You sir, seem HSP type. Which would
exclude you from any SENSOR type extrovert: ESFJ, ESFP, ESTJ or ESTP
Maybe the craziness could be the Ne coupled accidentally with Te, rather than Ti. Of course, this is theory. I don't
like to theorize about this subject. I like to use my J function on how I FEEL about something outside of me, coupled
with the 6th sense telling me what it obviously is. But good job with the award going to...
Btw, your face looks mostly identical to my ENTP niece. ENTPs are thin, by nature. Small body, usually quite petite.
You sir are very small framed (you appear very skinny, petite-like). ENTP's Si is VERY weak, #4. They are not known
for having big bodies. All of the ENTPs I know are female and ULTRA thin. You could be the first male ENTP I have
watch on Tv/internet, except for Doc Brown's character in the Back to the Future movies. As scatter-brained as I
thought my niece was and DOC BROWN from Back to the Future. You might Eclipse them by being over the top.
Thanks for the insight...hmm ENTP has come up a great deal.
It could be due to my enneagram and influences from tertiary Fe that, since im in a bit of an unhealthy state at the moment, im overcompensating on Fe over my Ti and I need to reign things in a bit with Ti rather than crutching on my tertiary.
But that's just an idea.
Need further proof? Mr Geek Man Chris Pirillo (ENTP) another video showing his:
- Off the CHART Extroverted Intuition
- His off the wall facial expressions & upper face movement. And his over the top hand gestures. (Extroverted Feeling)
- His lack of HSP (Highly Sensitive Person). He is NOT an HSP. He is LOUD and totally obnoxious.
- He suffers from Turrets Syndrome, at times.
- He has the Eric Cartman complex, at times.
- He is a true nerdy nerd.
- His body frame is THIN, rather ultra thin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDxZcNBRnpU&feature=share&list=ULUDxZcNBRnpU
Now, can you guess his female friend's type in the video?
- Obvious, in-your-face HSP (Highly Sensitive Person). She is so soft spoken. So gentle, so low volume level with her voice.
(This automatically eliminates her as a possible dominate SENSOR extroverted type: ESFJ, ESFJ, ESTJ & ESTP)
- This would make her an obvious strong dominate INTUITTIVE by default. She is thin, very petite. She is female.
- A short guess of ENTP with strong HSP would be a good guess. But there was one problem: Chris said she is
the SPORTY type. And look at her arms, ENTP females do not have muscles (typically). She is probably an
Extroverted Sensing type. Which eliminates her as: INTP-HSP, ENTP-HSP and might eliminate herself from
INFP-HSP & ENFP-HSP. So I lean towards INFJ-HSP or ENFJ-HSP. She seems Introverted. I had a problem
determining the E or I because she is one-on-one with him and has nobody else around her. I would like to
have seen her social interaction with other people to determine that effectively. So his female friend:
best guess - INFJ or ENFJ - strong HSP
maybe - INFP or ENFP - strong HSP
She has small female muscles on her arms and is SPORTY, thinking Extroverted Sensing because I do NOT
know any muscular female ENTP or INTP types. So INTP or ENTP strong HSP is not really possible. Although
her bone mass is quite thin and petite.
If you would like to see yet another ENTP in the real-world, take a look at Tim Ezell of FOX-2 news in St Louis, MO.
He is the taller ultra SKINNY, thin white guy in the middle. This guy is a loud, obnoxious, but highly intelligent ENTP.
No HSP in him at all. He is all about LOUD-LOUD-LOUD, turrets syndrome, Eric Cartman complex:
http://youtu.be/erKrTR_o1DI
He is SO ENTP all of the way. This is classic ENTP all the way...