These threads are obnoxious.
Please stop making them.
Whether these threads are obnoxious or not is entirely a value judgment and subject to personal appreciation. Hence, your statement is incorrect. These threads
are not obnoxious - you
feel these threads are obnoxious. Your personal opinion holds no value of scientific truth, so I might aswell just dismiss it as being irrelevant.
Mmm....kaaaaayy......
Two things:
1) I agree with you
2) Anyone who hires someone just because they met them at a club or on a social network deserves whatever it is they get. I WANT CREDENTIALS PEOPLE!
Usually the two go hand in hand so I prefer someone who is competent as a result of their years of experience
If I had to choose between the two, then yes I would agree with you again.
All work and no brief moments of gossiping about Darlene's cousin's-sister's-son-in-law bonk honking Debbie from accounting makes tinker683 a dull boy :'(
Absolutely, and I'm glad to hear that. It makes far more sense to do so, but current practices in HR are so rigid and set on "the way it has been done" that it will take ages before it changes to someting constructive.
Show us that scientific research! If it's credible, we'll go the new way. NBD
Misconception about SJs: we're impossible to convince. Just because we're skeptical of new and unusual data, doesn't mean we won't change our minds given enough evidence contrary to our usual methodology.
Come on, they're still beneficial. They give an opportunity for discussion! And we WANT discussion, because it leads to new insights! Let's be positive
(Then again, this is from the person who's been answering variations on the same question for over a year on one thread... So I have more patience for this sort of thing.)
Edit: Which SJs are you referring to, Falcon?
You're a clever one you are! I know you ESTJ's. One of my best friends is one. You ESTJ's like to pretend you follow tradition and order just to be clever and blend in. Underneath you're thinking about science fiction, Star Trek, and hiding your closet geekiness
Can't you intuit the data with your repressed N function? Surely you can!
he's referring the ones who probably hire us lazy SPs because we're the kids of their golf buddies or something :rolli:
Not only becaue they're the kids of their golf buddies, but because they're good-looking, hot, and seem like people that would be willing to put in that "extra effort of a special nature" to get a promotion.
No kidding. There are some strange things going on lately.
Is it a full moon? Lol.
The really strange things that have been going on have been going without a full moon, since years, and keep continuing to erode organizational efficiency.
If they work, why change? Really, this is not me impersonating an SJ or something. There's some merit in keeping things like they are. I just wish the pedagogues would learn THAT instead of changing the education system every decade! Now they are putting all pupils together regardless what they are good or bad at. Please learn your history pedagogues. You've tried that already in the eighties and it didn't work. And no, it doesn't help to call it another name.
I've experienced already more harm in bosses trying to put their stamp on things and changing policies just when the employees were getting used to it.
The question is not whether to change or not to change.
The questions are: how can we diminish unemployment? How can optimally use competencies of new graduates? How can we increase business profit in a time of crisis? How can we diminish inefficiency in organizations and length of meetings? When you see the mediocre management that goes on in most businesses, you wonder how is it that these obvious questions are not asked more often.
Huh? Isn't that implemented already?? Isn't that the tradition actually? Read the newspapers and write application letters. Yes, there are some quite recent things added to it, which I very much like. There's an organisation to help jobless people find jobs (and to help employers find people) who has an Internet database. For teachers there's even an apart "pool" - if a teacher gets ill, the headmaster (or the secretary) can find interim teachers in the subject with some mouse clicks. It's basically the same thing as the old newspaper ads but adapted to our new information highway. Why not
I found already two jobs (each one a contract of one year) with old-fashioned spontaneous application letters and one (a contract of two months) with the teacher's pool.
Most jobs are posted internally in organizations, and only 20% of jobs are posted publically. This creates a culture of mediocrity instead of competence, because there is no way of knowing if other candidates outside of the social networks of employees would have been better.
Yes, but experience has its merit too. A new employee has to learn how things are done in that firm. And has to get to know his coworkers. You don't want to change a team which is performing rather well. I guess here it's a question of finding a balance. Will the new employee add a value to the team that's worth some training and adapting? Maybe an SJ employer would answer "no" too often.
It's not whether to learn how things are done or not. It's competence. If you arrive with competencies that are superior to those of existing employees, then it should be the firm that learns from
you, asking you to teach others about these new techniques. It shouldn't be up to you to adapt to a way of doing things which is backwards. If you don't have special competencies, then it's logical that you learn from others who have something to teach you.
"The way things are done here" is just an inside joke, and an excuse for laziness and generalized incompetence in organizations.
I don't know about this one. A human is not fit to work non-stop. Every day I start with lots of ideas (I'll finish this and that work and then I've got time to work on that mad project!), but find myself exhausted at the middle and in de need of "not working nor doing creative projects" for a while. Yes it's frustrating. No work gets done and I'm not even creating anything!
Maybe we should accept that we're less efficient than we want to be.
I really need the coffee breaks at school, despite I hate coffee. The nice thing at a school is that they are scheduled. They start at a given moment (when the pupils get a much needed break too) and stop at another given moment. You don't feel as if you should be working instead.
When I was doing research, it was another matter. I always felt as if I should work instead, because I hadn't produced anything yet! At the other hand, the discussions during the coffee break helped to put your research in perspective and sometimes generated new ideas.
Do you see people working so much? I see people spending inordinate amounts of time in meetings, chit chatting, and pretending they're working while in fact they're surfing on Facebook.
I'm afraid not. There will be no changing allowed. Ever.
See you at the coffee machine for a discussion on that plan to get rid of those useless procedures!
