Cypocalypse
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When I started taking up MBTI tests years ago, my results usually end up ending either INTP or INFP.
Consciously or subconsciously, I felt that the type I had was a phase to something else (I would develop later on to be more ENTP-ish). Reflecting on those earlier years, I was thinking...
Did my Ti and Fi went into full throttle because I feel a need to have a form of inner vindication because of the pressures of a very SJ biased external environment?
When I was much younger (i.e., when I was a teenager. I'm now 28), there are probably early signs of a dominating Ne/Ti cognitive processes in my psyche, which I didn't put into full use until I got the gist of things that are MBTI related (in early 20s).
There was a phase of individualistic Ti and Fi obsession, until I came to a realization that....
An INFPish phase - I'm usually more depressed more than I'm willing to admit.
An INTPish phase - It's more of a feelings neutralizer that puts my Fi in check, whenever it goes to a "wallowing" mode.
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There was a conscious desire on my part to be on a generally 'happier' state, and I don't see it happening on a protective Fi/Ti shell that I've accustomed myself with.
The explorer side of me (possibly Ne driven and a more conscious desire to connect to people (Fe?)) manifested later, and I have to say that the 'happier' state I was looking for was more realized. It's not that I read something about the perceived ENTP 'coolness' and all, and decided later that it's cool to be that type. I just need the need of being 'proactive' by doing a sense of 'exploring' (in the literal and the cerebral sense).
I don't wanna necessarily imply that I'm less susceptible now to lonely moments, nor I've gotten to be a better people-oriented person, but there are obvious feelings of being 'happier'.
I don't know. Maybe when you give your Ne some leeway, it's easy to look for the most humorous, or optimistic aspect of the situation, even if it may not be the most rational of important perspective. And an Fi that's better restrained can give some room for growth on Fe.
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A good example of looking at this 'development' would be how I currently treat one of my closest friends--a female ESFP (that's a lot of irony, when you think about it).
3 years ago, we just end up clashing with each other's opinion (Ti and Fi just wants to disregard her 'lack of logic'), but now, I can actually tolerate, even enjoy around half of what she's saying.
My Fe can now fine-tune the nature of our conversation, and then start talking about topics we can actually talk together.
As a 'stereotypical' ESFP, where she has been in a lot of messed up relationships, she knows a lot of permutations of various character achetypes (without knowing MBTI, she's able to put me in an accurate descriptive box that no other 'sensor' can do). She has great understanding of the various permutations/aspects of someone of feelings.
That, plus me talking about social dynamics, is a very healthy and informative form of interaction that just wasn't around when my Fi and Ti are so over the top, and my rhethoric is overly articulate, with lesser intent of meeting things halfway.
I was wondering of ENTPs here have 'developed' in a similar manner. Did any of you feel something similar to this before?
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I have a gay INFP friend. His INFP values (which I think is his 'shell') is not helping his innate gay nature since he doesn't want to come out of the closet as much as he wants to. His values think of only a male/female duality, but his sensual desires says another.
As an ENTP, sometimes, I would persuade him to just go out of the closet, and see where he belongs in the spectrum of things. For one, I don't see him happy. There's a part of me that wants to say that there's a sense of fulfillment in going out of the shell, whatever form it may be.
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I do see myself as the 'happy' archetype that wants to sincerely help my more 'lonely' eccentric friends, but sometimes I feel that I'm just needlessly forcing Ne/Fe on them.
Consciously or subconsciously, I felt that the type I had was a phase to something else (I would develop later on to be more ENTP-ish). Reflecting on those earlier years, I was thinking...
Did my Ti and Fi went into full throttle because I feel a need to have a form of inner vindication because of the pressures of a very SJ biased external environment?
When I was much younger (i.e., when I was a teenager. I'm now 28), there are probably early signs of a dominating Ne/Ti cognitive processes in my psyche, which I didn't put into full use until I got the gist of things that are MBTI related (in early 20s).
There was a phase of individualistic Ti and Fi obsession, until I came to a realization that....
An INFPish phase - I'm usually more depressed more than I'm willing to admit.
An INTPish phase - It's more of a feelings neutralizer that puts my Fi in check, whenever it goes to a "wallowing" mode.
______________
There was a conscious desire on my part to be on a generally 'happier' state, and I don't see it happening on a protective Fi/Ti shell that I've accustomed myself with.
The explorer side of me (possibly Ne driven and a more conscious desire to connect to people (Fe?)) manifested later, and I have to say that the 'happier' state I was looking for was more realized. It's not that I read something about the perceived ENTP 'coolness' and all, and decided later that it's cool to be that type. I just need the need of being 'proactive' by doing a sense of 'exploring' (in the literal and the cerebral sense).
I don't wanna necessarily imply that I'm less susceptible now to lonely moments, nor I've gotten to be a better people-oriented person, but there are obvious feelings of being 'happier'.
I don't know. Maybe when you give your Ne some leeway, it's easy to look for the most humorous, or optimistic aspect of the situation, even if it may not be the most rational of important perspective. And an Fi that's better restrained can give some room for growth on Fe.
____________________
A good example of looking at this 'development' would be how I currently treat one of my closest friends--a female ESFP (that's a lot of irony, when you think about it).
3 years ago, we just end up clashing with each other's opinion (Ti and Fi just wants to disregard her 'lack of logic'), but now, I can actually tolerate, even enjoy around half of what she's saying.
My Fe can now fine-tune the nature of our conversation, and then start talking about topics we can actually talk together.
As a 'stereotypical' ESFP, where she has been in a lot of messed up relationships, she knows a lot of permutations of various character achetypes (without knowing MBTI, she's able to put me in an accurate descriptive box that no other 'sensor' can do). She has great understanding of the various permutations/aspects of someone of feelings.
That, plus me talking about social dynamics, is a very healthy and informative form of interaction that just wasn't around when my Fi and Ti are so over the top, and my rhethoric is overly articulate, with lesser intent of meeting things halfway.
I was wondering of ENTPs here have 'developed' in a similar manner. Did any of you feel something similar to this before?
_________________
I have a gay INFP friend. His INFP values (which I think is his 'shell') is not helping his innate gay nature since he doesn't want to come out of the closet as much as he wants to. His values think of only a male/female duality, but his sensual desires says another.
As an ENTP, sometimes, I would persuade him to just go out of the closet, and see where he belongs in the spectrum of things. For one, I don't see him happy. There's a part of me that wants to say that there's a sense of fulfillment in going out of the shell, whatever form it may be.
_________________
I do see myself as the 'happy' archetype that wants to sincerely help my more 'lonely' eccentric friends, but sometimes I feel that I'm just needlessly forcing Ne/Fe on them.