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As far as all the punditry last year, the political outrage was exactly what some of us assumed it was -- political bullshit by people who didn't know a damn thing about the film, trying to stir the pot. No one ends us looking "good" in this movie, which skewers both redneck and elitist cliches. By the end, where things boil down to two characters, you can see where each have been "wronged" so to speak, leading to this absurd outcome. No matter who wins, it doesn't fix any of the shit that led into the film.
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What's the term for that? Joker syndrome?

Didn't Jean Claude Van Damme already make the most definitive take on The Most Dangerous Game with Hard Target. I've only seen the beginning of it so far, but I know later in the film he punches a snake and it looks like a penis. I'm sure that doesn't happen in this movie.

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What's the term for that? Joker syndrome?

Didn't Jean Claude Van Damme already make the most definitive take on The Most Dangerous Game with Hard Target. I've only seen the beginning of it so far, but I know later in the film he punches a snake and it looks like a penis. I'm sure that doesn't happen in this movie.

Yeah, I don't remember any trouser snakes making an appearance... although one might get shot at some point.

Most of the more widely known names in the cast (aside from Gilpin and Swank) don't really get much screen time, it's almost more like a cameo because they happened to be on the lot that week.
 

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Read an interesting thread about 007 on r/fixingmovies today. One person commented:

I think the James Bond, lord forgive me for using this term, Universe.....sigh....is heavily underutilized. Where is the 003 film? The 009 film? I have no issue with Bond remaining a white male if the rest of the cadre of 00s is tapped. Think of four part film over two years - Start with 007, at the end of the film he "hands off" to 003, fill in your cameos of 007 and 009, and then the third film where 003 "hands off" to 009, with appropriate cameos and call backs, to a finale of the films with all three.
Then you could have a female 00, a black or even Asian 00, and James Bond all working together.
I thought it sounded interesting.

this more or less sums up my thoughts about James Bond, the untapped potential of that fictional universe, and how the producers of the franchise have locked themselves into a very narrow, formulaic approach that hasn't at all aged well.

Were I the producers, I would reboot the series from the ground up after Craig's departure. I would focus on building a massive universe.

-007 would be just one guy in a massive cinematic universe. Let's say he's the Tony Stark of the Bond universe and M is the Nick Fury. The first movie or two is his story, then we see subsequent films expand with appearances by other double-0 agents. We might see cameos of new, younger agents in 007's second film, as he and M build the modern double-0 section into an elite spy force.

-Those other double-0 agents eventually get their own films that may or may not feature Bond himself in some cameo appearance, or perhaps assisting--hell, we could just leave him out of these altogether. Maybe he is even the butt of jokes on occasion, like we hear a female agent speak of how he had the nerve to hit on her or something. Or someone jokes about how he doesn't even try to go undercover and just uses his real name half the time.

-Felix Leiter could get his own CIA themed spinoff series of films, still set in the same overall universe. Perhaps we might see a Jinx Jordan type character get a film as well.

-The old timer traditionalists who want Bond to remain a chauvinistic male win, and the people who want the universe more diverse and representative win, as there are endless possibilities for spinoff characters of every sex and ethnicity.

-There could even be movies focused on telling popular villains' and henchpersons' stories. Imagine films or a TV series about SPECTRE! Imagine a movie about Jaws or Alec Trevalyan

-Imagine a TV series in the vein of Agents of Shield that focuses more on episodes telling the stories of the faceless "little people" who operate behind the scenes whilst the double-0 agents get all the recognition.

-While this reboot universe would reuse a lot of characters from the old films, they would be fresh stories and not indebted to the continuity (or lack of) established in the old film series. It would be fun to see reimagined interpretations of old favorite characters alongside new characters.

-There would be possibilities for movies of all types and tones. You could have some empathizing the slapstick comedic approach of the Moore films, you could have darker, hardboiled stories a la Dalton, and so on. You could have some films set farther back in this timeline, like imagine one set in 1960s featuring a Conneryesque agent, and focusing more on the roots of the double-0 section of MI6, then it flashes forward to show that this agent has become a sort of mentor figure to the younger guard, although some of them also see him as an outdated chauvinist. Not unlike the MCU where each film has its own style and feel whilst remaining part of the same overall continuity.

-I would keep the series relevant to current events without making it indebted. Obviously it would be a fictional version of our own universe, but topical issues might still be addressed in creative ways.


If EoN had any sense hope about keeping this franchise alive and thriving, they'd take this approach instead of keeping to the same stale formula with occasional cosmetic changes.
 

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Something I was thinking of while typing up the previous post is how Bond doesn't use a cover a lot of the time and just sort of announces himself to potential villains.

I don't think Bond's specialty is espionage to begin with, and that's something I'd emphasize in my dream reboot universe.

Bond is basically a fixer, or a "problem eliminator" as mentioned in License to Kill. Sure he sometimes uses secrecy and aliases, but ultimately the whole point of his approach is to announce himself and flush the enemy out by provoking them or making them nervous. His reputation is one of his weapons. When villains hear Bond is on the case, they know shit must be real.

We would see every double-0 agent having a unique set of skills and focus. Some might be more focused on secrecy and remaining covert, some would be purely assassins, some might be more focused on being good at rescue ops, etc. The reason Bond gets the high profile cases is because they tend to fit his MO.
 

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Bond Cinematic Universe Phase One:

License to Kill (unrelated to the plot of the Dalton film): Bond's introduction. General introduction to the double-0 branch. Bond's first mission as a double-0, the one to prove himself as a valuable asset to MI6. We also meet a young fellow agent Alec Trevelyen here. Trevelyan is still on his side in this one.

Casino Royale (would more or less be a remake of the novel). First introduction to Felix Leiter.

Leiter Movie #1. First introduction to Jinx Jordan

Jinx Jordan movie #1.

009 movie

003 movie

006 (Alec Trvelyen) movie, wherein he is still a "good guy" but we see him start to become disillusioned with his job and government.

Double-0 Team movie featuring Bond and entire double-0 section against the threat of Spectre, an organization first hinted at in Casino Royale but only seen in the shadows until now. Trevelyan resigns from the service halfway through this one, but we won't see him return until phase 2 or 3 at the earliest.
 

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Bond Cinematic Universe Phase 2:

Goldfinger: Assuming Spectre is finished following the events of the last film, Bond is sent on a supposedly lower key mission to deal with Auric Goldfinger, an independent magnate alleged to be funding various criminal enterprises.

002 movie

Leiter movie #2

Thunderball: in which we learn Spectre is still operational and working from the shadows. The double-0 team, having defeated Dr. No previously and having assumed Dr. No was the head of the organization.

Evil Henchman spinoff film #1, in which we learn how Scaramanga started out as a Spectre assassin, only to go rogue and become a free agent, setting him up for his appaearance as a Bond villain later on.

008 movie

Property of a Lady (setting up events for an Octopussy movie down the road)

All the World and More: another big team up film to wrap up this phase.



Phase 3:

On Her Majesty's Secret Service

006 movie

Bond Revenge Movie, Bond goes rogue to avenge Tracy's death. Blofeld dies...or does he?

Leiter/Jinx Jordan movie

The original: flashes back to tell the story of the original 1960s double-0 branch. For some reason I imagine Richard Madden and Idris Elba teaming up in this one as a couple of old school agents in the cold war. Perhaps we see a young M here.

For Your Eyes Only: a "return to form" featuring Bond in a low key detective style mission. Opens with Bond placing flowers at Tracy's gravestone. Bond is noticeably moodier and more aggressive in this one, having been changed after tracy's death in OHMSS


Phase 4:

The Man With The Golden Gun

Q movie, featuring Q doing gadget-y stuff and using his brains to survive after being captured by a terrorist group.

Spectre movie

Jaws spinoff movie

random double-0 movie

International Agents (where we meet secret agents from other nations)

Goldeneye: Trevelyen is back! Bond is back.
 

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how about an extended Excalibur universe?

Just kidding, but a sweet movie. I saw it as a little kid and did not realize what a sexually charged film it was until I saw it again as an adult. Boorman is a madman.
 

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Why would Kreese in the Karate Kid want to win dirty vs Daniel when he had all those Cobra Kais to do it fairly? - Quora

I always wondered how Daniel did so well in the tournament. But having seen how slowly real life martial arts classes can progress, it's not all that far-fetched. Instructors tailor lessons for all levels of students. Kreese should have seen the threat and began one-on-one training with Johnny. Daniel not only had intensive, one-on-one training for months, he had a literal master training him. Beyond that, people always assume Daniel went into training with no background in the martial arts, yet he establishes he had taken YMCA karate classes. May not be much, but it's a foundation that made it easier for Miyagi to build upon with his lessons.
 

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Is Predator 2 underrated? Yes.

I'd argue it's as good as and maybe better than the first film.

-It's original. It doesn't just rehash the plot of the first film.
-It's full of a great cast of characters. Danny Glover plays against type, but he does it well, proving he is a versatile actor. I wish he's done more action movies in this vein, as he brings a humanity to his character that makes him more than a one-dimensional, one-liner tossing action hero like his predecessor Arnold. Plus we get character actors like Gary Busey, Bill Paxton, Ruben Blades, et al appearing in memorable roles.
-It expands on the lore of the first film without giving away too much and ruining the mystery and threat of the Predator as later films have attempted. We see the Predator in this one utilizing similar weapons to the first Predator, yet he has his own flavor, preferring more close combat than the first predator. We see the interior of the Predator's ship and members of his race. We even see an easter egg xenomorph skull on the ship's wall next to other trophies. We learn of the predators' mutual respect for other warriors, as they allow Glover to live after he defeats City Hunter. The gift of the musket to Glover is also a nice touch.
-The mood, tone and atmosphere of this movie are great. Some argue it's darker and more cynical than the first movie, and while I agree, this makes it superior. It is a movie about a stalking space alien, so I think the darker tone works.
 

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It does feel out of left field in Prisoner of Azkaban, since time travel is never really mentioned in the films again. Also, there's a drop that Hermione was using the time device to attend two classes simultaneously. Like wtf is that... something that could mess up the timeline, but it's handed to a student by a teacher for a trivial purpose? Here it gets used for a random purpose that never seems entirely justified (it also contributes to Sirius' survival but that isn't really explored in the films much by the time Sirius' role ends).

And then it just disappears. Kind of like what people were saying about the spore drive for Discovery, although there we now know why (so at least they tried to address it).

Don't get me wrong, HP & the PoA is one of the best HP films and the first one that felt like it had a vision, it's just this weird tangent with the time device that is never addressed again.



I guess also it is presented (at least in the film) as a closed loop -- the future kids are already in the past scene we've viewed, but we didn't know they were there even if their presence was felt. It's all shot like a death occurred, but apparently no death had occurred. So they weren't really "changing time" but were always part of the time line, just looped back. That's still kind of 'chicken and egg' in terms of how it works, but I guess the other deaths were never stopped, so they could not be stopped by future selves because they were not.
 

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Also, talking about HP Houses for a second...

I don't get why (at least in the films) Slytherin is treated as "evil" and Gryffindor "good". Maybe it's not meant to play that way, and it shouldn't be. The thing is, who creates an "evil" house in a school of teenage students? Why would they include Slytherin in the first place if it was so sketchy? It's like labeling a few personality types in MBTI as bad although it's supposed to be "all types have different strengths and weaknesses." At least in the films, they want to have their cake and eat it too, so much kind of dishes up on Slytherin house as undesirable, although then in a few spots they try to make it sound like everyone is just different.

I was happy for moments where they showed James and Sirius bullying Severus, because it then gets back to reality -- Gryffindor can be a-hats as well, just typically in different ways.
 

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Also, talking about HP Houses for a second...

I don't get why (at least in the films) Slytherin is treated as "evil" and Gryffindor "good". Maybe it's not meant to play that way, and it shouldn't be. The thing is, who creates an "evil" house in a school of teenage students? Why would they include Slytherin in the first place if it was so sketchy? It's like labeling a few personality types in MBTI as bad although it's supposed to be "all types have different strengths and weaknesses." At least in the films, they want to have their cake and eat it too, so much kind of dishes up on Slytherin house as undesirable, although then in a few spots they try to make it sound like everyone is just different.

I was happy for moments where they showed James and Sirius bullying Severus, because it then gets back to reality -- Gryffindor can be a-hats as well, just typically in different ways.

I always got the feeling the Gryffindor kids were the kiss ass jocks. Polite to their headmaster and professors but covert bullies when the adults weren't around. We see the good side of them because the story tends to be told from their perspective and of course they are going to look out for one another. Some good, some bad. I got the impression the Slytherin kids were mostly rich kids and entitled brats with connections. Some good, some bad. Lots of room for grey morality with both houses. Seeing the story told more from the perspective of the Gryffindors, it's natural we see Slytherin portrayed as evil. But I think it's just a matter of how each houses' values are applied in practical purposes, and how said values are perceived by opposing houses.
 

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It's possible Marty dies more than once in the Back to the Future series. Doc did have a time machine after all, and it wouldn't be out of character for him to use it to jump to just the right moments to save Marty--specifically the point when he is on the top of Biff's tower and later when he is nearly run down by younger Biff. Why he never mentions this to Marty? Probably just didn't want to mess with Marty's head and send him into an existential crisis. That would fuck with my head for sure.
 

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Another thing that bothers me about BTTF is how Marty seems to retain his memories from the original timeline. This would be very problematic for him once he tries to adapt to the new and improved timeline. I wonder if there is a sort of delayed effect where it takes "time" for changes to ripple through the timeline. So perhaps Marty would gradually have memories from his self in the new timeline take over. This can also explain why he doesn't just flash out of existence right away, but rather sees his older siblings disappear from the photo first. As they were born first, their absence from the changing timeline would be felt or seen first. By the time Marty is seeing his hand start to disappear, the changes in the timeline have rippled up to the point of his birth in the original timeline. Ultimately he will fade, but then wouldn't this erase him and his actions in 1955, thus reverting the timeline back to its original state?

Also, these movies often threaten paradoxes, but we never actually see or get a real sense of what that would mean for the universe in these films.
 

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I always got the feeling the Gryffindor kids were the kiss ass jocks. Polite to their headmaster and professors but covert bullies when the adults weren't around. We see the good side of them because the story tends to be told from their perspective and of course they are going to look out for one another. Some good, some bad. I got the impression the Slytherin kids were mostly rich kids and entitled brats with connections. Some good, some bad. Lots of room for grey morality with both houses. Seeing the story told more from the perspective of the Gryffindors, it's natural we see Slytherin portrayed as evil. But I think it's just a matter of how each houses' values are applied in practical purposes, and how said values are perceived by opposing houses.

Well, I'm even thinking of moments like in the last film when freaking Valdemort is making kids scream and says he'll kill them all if Harry Potter isn't handed over, a few of the Slytherin (no one else) actually suggest "Getting Harry" and doing this (like.... what??? Valdemort is messed up, the twins running the place with Severus are psychos, everyone hated Umbridge? Why would they even think this was a great idea?), and then McGonnigal tells the custodian to take ALL the Slytherin to the dungeons. It's not the only time, but it really scans as Slytherin being aligned with evil forces and seen neutrally as just awful.
 

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I know I've talked about this before, but the Halloween film series is an absolute mess in terms of continuity. to the point it makes the X Men film timeline look tidy in comparison.

Not counting Halloween III, which is a standalone not even set in the Myers continuity, and not counting the Rob Zombie remakes, which set up an entirely separate continuity, there are 3 different conflicting continuities in the franchise (arguably 4).

-First we have Halloween 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6, with 4-6 often refererred to as the "Thorn Trilogy" by fans, due to the increasing focus on the cult of thorn in 5 and 6.

-Then there's 1, 2, H20, and resurrection, with the latter 2 completely ignoring the continuity of 4-6 and instead picking up from part 2 as if 4-6 never happened.

-Finally there's Halloween '78 and Halloween 2018, with the second ignoring any of the sequels made after the original movie.

-The fourth I mentioned is 1 and 2, where we accept 2 as Myers' death and just ignore any subsequent sequels.

Personally, I prefer accepting 1 and 2 as canon and ignoring the rest. While I enjoyed that Halloween 2018 went back to basics and ignored the silly, overused "Michael must be related to the protagonist" subplot that seems to crop up in so many sequels before the 2018 movie, it was still problematic in the way it had to establish some connection between Laurie Strode and Myers. I love Jamie Lee Curtis in the series, just don't think that character is necessary to make a good Myers movie.

Why do I prefer 1 and 2? While the sibling subplot in 2 is kind of unnecessary and somewhat dilutes the mystery and aura surrounding The Shape (AKA Michael Myers), tonally, it's a perfect follow up to part 1. It's just such a cynical, atmospheric movie that nearly recreates the atmosphere of the first movie. Not bad considering writer and producer John Carpenter didn't even want to be involved and considered writing part 2 a contractual obligation he had to get drunk to complete.
 

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Anyway, here’s an interesting take on how much Halloween II influenced the franchise, even those films that don’t follow its continuity

 
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