So they are two separate systems but someone made a correlation between the two. Who and how? Is there a way to give the gist of each function in both systems and show how functions in the two systems correlate to each other?
Which came first? Did they first establish the types by identifying common patterns in people and then formed the functions (and the model) around that or the other way around? I mean, are type descriptions based on statistical observed real data (Te) or are they based on interpretation (simulation) of the mechanics of the model (Ti)?
Naturally how? I've read that daemonic function leads to ego-death, it is the enemy of the dominant (hero) function, it undermines the hero. So how does that correlate to role function?
This^ is clearly Ti for me, supplementing my Ni.
I can't pinpoint this^ function in me but I cannot deal with Si I guess. One ISTJ coworker can recall information precisely from memory whereas I have to keep taking notes and making list externally so as to make information tangible and easy to recall later otherwise that information is easily replaced with something else. I am quite airheaded. So I think this is Si for me.
Not exact fit but I'd like to have more Te abilities so I went with Te for this one.
What I am wondering is what the conversion language is in correlating Bebee's arcehetypes with Socionics functions.
In any case here's what I need to understand the issue:
a) Model A function basic descriptions
b) You identifying your functions for each description not based on what you know about the model but what you know about yourself (and the descriptions in table given above or function descriptions) to check whether it fits.
c) Basis of conversion between Socionics function descriptions and MBTI function order.
d) Basis of conversion between Socionics function descriptions and Beebe's archetypes.
I'd appreciate as concise as possible responses.
A) The Lead Function - That which you are best at and are always (for the most part) absorbed in. You are typically going to be using this function for the majority of your life, though you may actually not be able to pin-point it exactly due to the fact that you are so good at using the Lead function that tasks and things related to it seem entirely natural and regular.
The Creative Function - That which you relay others the work and perspective of your lead function. This is how you relate your lead function to others and what you use to engage the environment primarily. It is focused on the world rather than the self, and is usually seen as a means to an end (it isn't revered so much like the Lead, think of it like a tool). Therefore, your primary focus for engaging this function is merely using it as a medium through which to spread your findings and thinking from your Lead Function.
The Role Function - That which is your character flaw and downfall as a person. This function, when activated, siphons you off from your powerful Lead function through which you rely on and forces you to at least recognize it or face somewhat humiliating self-criticism. This function can be represented by the phrase "I am bad if I... [don't/fail to/neglect this]" (stolen from some Socion website I'll find later of the First 4 IM Elements of Model A). There is variation between how certain people deal with the Role Function however, which can range from compulsive attention to it when it arises to downright neglect. Any attempts to actually succeed at this function are short-lasted, as you will eventually return to your dominant perspective, deactivating this function.
The Vulnerable Function - That which is loathed, abhorred, neglected, and completely ignored. Any criticism received to this area is taken with surprise and sting, as it is baffling that others even care or realize the implications of this function. This function is the way your Role Function relates to others and the world. This also usually represents the portion of society or humanity that you typically loathe (with regard to Role-Vulnerable mechanism, i.e. INFp's loathe Si in a Te way). Suspicions surround the information geared toward this function.
The Suggestive Function - That which is desired, complementary, and welcomed. Where suspicions surround the information of the Vulnerable function, gullibility is a key feature of the Suggestive Function, as you tend to naturally be too trusting of its information, sense it complements the Dominant perspective and the fact that it is a relatively absent and weak function in a sociotype. In a phrase, this is "What you need more of" to succeed. (IxI's, for instance, need Se information and tasks to motivate them, meaning that the presence of any Se at all will generally be enough to motivate them to do something, though their own motivation is hard for them to produce on their own)
The Mobilizing Function - That which "The World needs more of", that which is dear, lovable, and innocent (in a child-like sense). Unlike the Suggestive Function, which can't be produced on its own in the sociotype, this function
inflates (just like the tertiary function) in the sociotype so that he or she may provide the world with that which he or she finds dear, lovable, and innocent. Unfortunately, you are typically going to be rather bad at it, and its inflation will make you look rather "pathetic" as Gainan refers to in what he calls the "Pathetic Hidden Agenda". Usually one assumes great confidence in this function despite being terrible at it (leading to Mobilizing-Lead confusion for mistyping). You specifically do not typically recognize that you are terrible at it though, but others will undoubtedly recognize your lack of ability in it along with your sense of superiority regarding this function. An example might be an ILE claiming that he is absurdly superior at comforting people, being a warm and kind person, being a "people-person" and other Fe-related traits, but actually being rather socially-awkward and tactless when it comes to dealing with emotions and people's feelings. This function is held dear, and it is thought that the world needs more of it.
Ignoring Function - that which is obvious, trite, and unnecessary. Typically, the only time you will see this function is in a "I can do that too" kind of way. When others use this IM Element, you instinctively tend to attempt to show them that you can do it just as well as they can, but don't typically care for it or use it often. Any information received through here is taken as "obvious and unnecessary", as you are adept in it but don't think it is the right way to deal with things (instead choosing to deal with things through the Lead Perspective).
Demonstrative Function - that which is more-so obvious than the ignoring function and what forms a major portion of your worldview, yet is cast aside as boring or dull when you are with others. This function is sort of like something you enjoy but don't want others to know that you actually somewhat enjoy, thus it often remains in your private life. It is typically going to be as strong as the Lead function or possibly stronger (it is also different in that where the Lead Function is your strongest Accepting function, your Demonstrative function is your strongest producing function, meaning that you will be able to use it somewhat better than those who have this function as their Creative Function, i.e. IEI's Fi might be stronger than IEE's Fi). You will also engage this function when bored, and use it as another means to express your Lead function through a different form.
B) My Functions are that of the ILI's, you can't change Model A to fit certain functions, Model A represents the functions of each individual sociotype.
ILI -
Lead - Ni, Creative - Te
Role - Si, Vulnerable - Fe
Suggestive - Se, Mobilizing - Fi
Ignoring - Ne, Demonstrative Ti
And I often notice each of these functions in their positions in my own life.
C/D) Function Stackings are the same but placed differently for different reasons (Socionics keeps the Consciously noticed functions on the first four, JCF keeps the Valued function on the first four). Shadow Functions are defined by Beebe's Model primarily as there is no other source that provides a better look into them. Beebe's Model is deceptively similar to that of Model A based on the simply mechanics of the functions. For instance, the inflation of the Mobilizing Function and The Child Archetype (The Tertiary Function), the relation of the dominant perspective to others of the Creative Function and The Parent Archetype (The Auxiliary Function), the cutting-off from the primary function and self-critism/pain seen with the Demonic Personality Complex Archetype and the Role Function, etc.