Von Franz [Marie-Louise von Franz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] had postulated that the greatest difficulties that occur between people are on the basis of one using a function with a particular attitude (e.g., extraversion), and the other using the same function with the opposite attitude (e.g., introversion).
I was just reading an article ( http://www.ccc-apt.org/system/files/Beebe+-+Evolving+the+8-function+model+APT.pdf) and I came across this:
This is an idea which has been bouncing around in my head for a while, and I think it goes a long way toward explaining the tension/difficulty between INFJs and ENFPs.
I mean, if I'm understanding it correctly, then INFJs and ENFPs have major difficulties with each other on two counts:Fe vs. Fi and Ni vs. Ne
Seems like a pretty explosive mix!
What do you guys think?
it just means your assumptions are usually wrong about the other person. the way they get to their conclusions is very different from your way, so you have to trust that. what you take for granted they don't. Ni and Ne are very complimentary, but they motivate different behaviors that seem contradictory to the other type at times (Ne is freedom loving and Ni wants focus). Fi and Fe and Ti and Te clash far harder. methods vs principles. the Je functions work objectives, and they need various foundational elements in order for that to work. that's why they can seem so fucking pushy. whereas Ji types are sooooo stubborn.
i think enneagram compliance is more important at determining whether enfp and infj work than an overarching MB functional theory. i like what 7w8s come up with, but i'd never be as closely involved with them as 7w6. we'd clash, we need more distance bc we both would want more control.
That's an interesting idea, Wonka! I find that many ENFPs here have been very friendly to me. However, I don't think either of us naturally understands where the other is coming from. I've always wondered why I feel it with them more than the other NFs. That might explain it!
You make a good point here. I am not an ENFP...
...(though Edgar would disagree)
I've taken two tests and came out as a 2w1 so/sx/sp and a 2 with balanced wings and sp as primary variant. I really don't know.
Yeah you are
i see too much precision for an enfp, definitely more entp. i get way more Ti Fe than Fi Te. doesn't seem like a long-range schemer and emotional harmonizer so much as an in-the-moment game-player and analytical marketer. an unconscious sense of emotional anticipation rather than a conscious empathy. synarchs sentence construction is always so fucking precise, i just see more focus and less hazy holism. 7w6 makes people nice. F types rarely know where they're going when they speak, they lack direction comparatively with entp and intj types (which is why i always have to go to the writing center and have entps and intjs teach me how to write papers).
Oh, Synarch is definitely ENTP, most assuredly.
Yeah you are
of course I would!
my impression of 1 is of judginess and perfectionism and having great difficulty accepting the world as it is, always wantin to change it. i find 1w2 to have some of the most intense energy of any enneagram type. 2 i generally find to be far less self-aware and self-analytical, because it is so focused on others. 9w1s have a similar orientation, yet they are more aware of the relationship between themselves and others as they try to find a place in which they can assert themselves and at times must get in touch with their own desires. (i feel like this makes them more observant of relationships, whereas 2s would just roll up their sleeves and try to BE helpful. this is constrasted to 9s project of understanding/compassion as a form of love and healing vs the 2s immediate ACTION and work). both types under stress feel totally unappreciated and can get very passive aggressive, but 2s i think are a bit more hysterical. 2s will demand more, all of a sudden, whereas 9s will start to aggressively TAKE< which is shockingly different than their normal attitudes (esp 9w1). if you learn more or are interested, i would love to hear about it. you seem obviously different from me and it gives you a different vantage point to create insights (which i have constantly found very interesting to read!).
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Speaking from personal experience I take it?I can see how there could be something wonderful between INFJ <---> ENFP or INFJ <---> ENTP. Yeah, I could see that.
Awww,.I would like to get as many inputs as possible from you guys.
Socionics states that duality is the most rewarding relationship because it satisfies both partners' needs for completeness. Stages in this relationship also vary from being shaky to unbreakable (ONLY if there are mutual attractions and both partners have the same goals in life). I've met some ESTJs throughout my life, but they just don't seem to notice my presence (the introvert dual is supposed to fade in the background).
Regarding the ENFP: I LOVE ENFPs. I adore ENFPs. It's been my dream to end up with one, be it friendship or family life. I wish there could be more. But the 2 ENFPs that I met seemed very....distant. I even showed them my sincere intention to be friends. But oh well, maybe other ENFPs can explain about this, not just for romantic relationships but friendships as well.
I can still see how loving ENFPs are. They think far ahead and use feelings when making decisions, which can be seen as irrational. However, those are what make them dedicated to their relationships.
Your comments are appreciated. Thanks!
I like reading your shit. Thank you.
1. Explain how being 7w6 makes people nice.
2. Interesting point about the writing. I have been told I am a good editor because I can be ruthless about what to cut. When I write I think about what I am trying to push forward. What does not serve this "pushing forward" is carved out.
I have become more concise over time because I learned that stating something clearly is difficult. To be able to communicate, you have to crystallize the idea inside yourself. Holding the crystallized idea as you give birth to it in words requires focus.
Even when I write here, I write what I want to say then I go back and cut and reword to make it more metaphorical, concise, and neat.