Entropic
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If they would favor Te over Ni to such a degree they'd be ENTJs, not INTJs.
I agree with this, but I do get "a-ha" moments. They tend to often build up over time and some of them are more obvious than others. It's not so much "a-ha" in that I exactly know the answer and it ends there, but instead it tends to create a lot of other connections in my mind between that which I know but I did not previously see a connection between. I wonder how much that ties into 5 though, since I seek those kinds of revelations as a part of my pathology. I need to figure things out and how they work.
As a more general point, I think I mostly get "impressions". They're impressions because they are just that, vibes, feelings, a sense of what is. Often in a vague manner and I dislike when I must consciously untangle it to make sense of it because it requires a lot of effort. I was for having a feeling lately that my image fix could be wrong and there is 3 influence there so I ended up with the feeling that either it's 3w4 or 4w3. No particular logic to it or why that is but just a sense that something simply is this way. In the end I settled on that 4w3 must be more correct because when I tried to picture my tritype as 583 that did not simply make any sense in my mind. There was no real logic to that, it just simply didn't so I decided I'm still properly typed but the wing on my 4 is wrong.
I do have a fairly strong and developed Te as an egoic perspective but at the end of the day, no, Te is not what makes my world spin around. It's not like I think, "Let's Te now", that doesn't work. The only function we would ever have such conscious control over would be the dominant in the first place. I can indeed go, "I want to analyze the meaning of this", but that's as far as I'll go. Categorical distinctions happen and I can refer to outside sources but if I have to choose between that and my own meaning and understanding of things, I know what I'll prefer and it's not Te.
Te helps to make sense of things, especially to others, but that's about it. This is why my writing and thinking process was so garbled when I was a teenager and why so few apparently seeemd to understand what I was trying to convey or where I was coming from. I was once trying to explain how I calculate arithmetics in high school and my teacher (and apparently no other of the other students) actually understood what I was talking about or how I performed the reasoning the way I did it. So if I were to calculate what 43 + 76 is, I'd do it like this: 40 + 70 = 110 + 3 = 9 110 + 9 = 119. I'll be curious to see how many can make sense of that now. To me that is so stupid-obvious.
As for Fi and Se, I won't even comment on that. I was consciously trying to make value judgements the other day and it just didn't work. Maybe it has to do with my age, but both Se and Fi are clearly unconscious and for now I don't care if they are that way or not. If I Fi or Se it happens, and that's all there is to it.
I don't think the question is especially meaningful. I'm sorry, you don't just go, "Hey, I think I'll develop my Te, now," or "I think it's time to work on Fi."
We need to remember that the functions are "how you think", and it's remarkably difficult to "think about how you think". Even back when I was still in single-digit ages, I recall "thinking about thinking about thinking about thinking" and noting that it was just an endless recursion. In the end, you don't really understand how you think without a great deal of self awareness or a good strong structure/language upon which one can rely to describe and develop such an understanding.
One of the things I learned as I investigated the functions is that Ni, for me, really is "how I think." Not just sort of. Not just in an unconscious way. Not just in an "intuitive" way. It's how I synthesize my understanding of the world around me. Te lends a degree of sanity, but no it doesn't even begin to drive my thought process.
I can look back on my life, before I did school, in preschool and kindergarten, in elementary and middle school, in high school, in college and graduate school, I was always using Ni. There was no way I could emphasize Te to a degree greater than I used Ni. When I pay attention to how I learned, how I developed understanding, it was always via Ni. Te was always secondary, providing a means of support, verifying that my Ni-understanding reflected reality, enabling me to communicate my Ni-vision to those who regard my intuitions as surprising and inobvious.
The reason I know that Ni is dominant for me is that I don't do "calculations" in my head: I "see" the answer. Where people get confused about Ni is that it is so often associated with "Ah ha!" insights or other intuitive leaps, when for me, there is no "insight", there is no, "Ah ha!", there is no intuitive leap. I simply just keep on looking at the input data and switch out contexts, eventually hitting upon a context that fits everything I've observed, at which point I use that context to leap to new ideas outside the context.
Now, all INTJs tend to emphasize Te to a degree, but that has nothing to do with "overdevelopment" of Te or underdevelopment of intuition. It has to do with the ability to use Te to turn our intuitive grasp of everything into something concrete enough that we can verify our understanding. We don't "overdevelop" Te so much as rely upon Te to allow communication of our more complicated ideas, especially in early years.
These days, I incorporate Fi ad Se, because Ni and Te alone leave a bunch of ideas and understandings unaddressed. Ni-Te needs a conclusion. Fi-Se simply needs to understand what IS and eventually perhaps develop a values-based understanding of the world.
I agree with this, but I do get "a-ha" moments. They tend to often build up over time and some of them are more obvious than others. It's not so much "a-ha" in that I exactly know the answer and it ends there, but instead it tends to create a lot of other connections in my mind between that which I know but I did not previously see a connection between. I wonder how much that ties into 5 though, since I seek those kinds of revelations as a part of my pathology. I need to figure things out and how they work.
As a more general point, I think I mostly get "impressions". They're impressions because they are just that, vibes, feelings, a sense of what is. Often in a vague manner and I dislike when I must consciously untangle it to make sense of it because it requires a lot of effort. I was for having a feeling lately that my image fix could be wrong and there is 3 influence there so I ended up with the feeling that either it's 3w4 or 4w3. No particular logic to it or why that is but just a sense that something simply is this way. In the end I settled on that 4w3 must be more correct because when I tried to picture my tritype as 583 that did not simply make any sense in my mind. There was no real logic to that, it just simply didn't so I decided I'm still properly typed but the wing on my 4 is wrong.
I do have a fairly strong and developed Te as an egoic perspective but at the end of the day, no, Te is not what makes my world spin around. It's not like I think, "Let's Te now", that doesn't work. The only function we would ever have such conscious control over would be the dominant in the first place. I can indeed go, "I want to analyze the meaning of this", but that's as far as I'll go. Categorical distinctions happen and I can refer to outside sources but if I have to choose between that and my own meaning and understanding of things, I know what I'll prefer and it's not Te.
Te helps to make sense of things, especially to others, but that's about it. This is why my writing and thinking process was so garbled when I was a teenager and why so few apparently seeemd to understand what I was trying to convey or where I was coming from. I was once trying to explain how I calculate arithmetics in high school and my teacher (and apparently no other of the other students) actually understood what I was talking about or how I performed the reasoning the way I did it. So if I were to calculate what 43 + 76 is, I'd do it like this: 40 + 70 = 110 + 3 = 9 110 + 9 = 119. I'll be curious to see how many can make sense of that now. To me that is so stupid-obvious.
As for Fi and Se, I won't even comment on that. I was consciously trying to make value judgements the other day and it just didn't work. Maybe it has to do with my age, but both Se and Fi are clearly unconscious and for now I don't care if they are that way or not. If I Fi or Se it happens, and that's all there is to it.