Ok, so I was thinking about starting a new thread, but I don't really want to be the starter of a fucking "Ask an ENFP" thread, and, after thinking about it for a moment, I realized, in light of the history of this thread, it would be hilariously appropriate to hijack it in order to give it back some semblance of actul purpose. So, from here on out, by decree, this thread no longer belongs to whatever ENFP started it -- the past is now just a relic of some half-brained ENFP idea.
The future of this thread now belongs to ENFPs in general, built on a perfect bedrock of epic ENFP fail.
So, first question: when you say something like this...
[MENTION=4945]EJCC[/MENTION] I think the usual ENFP tactic is just to pick some elements in the INTJ's communication and twist them around a bit and see how the INTJ responds, and that's how you can get a read on them. It's like Heisenberg uncertainty, they don't have any Si grounding, but at least you can figure out how they're moving at the moment. And then you get them to have to play your game too because then
they have to figure out what
your position is
and because their Si sucks they find that tricky and intriguing too, and then while they're distracted, you pounce.
How does our Si sucking make it tricky for us to figure out your meaning?
I don't deny that our Si sucks, and I don't deny that, when you do as you described above, we start playing the game with you.
I also don't deny that we find it intriguing, because, well, I most certainly do; it's just, I find such play intriguing with others Ni doms too.
The part I'm not as sure about is whether we find it tricky (this may be the case), and, if we do, how this is caused by our having shitty Si.
I mean, you guys have shitty Si, too; how do you know it's not
your shitty Si that's causing the problem?
And, if there even is a problem, is it worse between you guys and us, than between us and Si-doms?
There can certainly be a disconnect between us and SJs, but I don't know if we have this supposed difficulty "seeing" their Si that so many ENFPs seem to whine about. Frankly, I think I see what SJs are pointing to pretty frickin easily, I just tend to disagree that what they're seeing is the whole kit-and-kaboodle. By contrast, I think you guys suck at expressing your Si; it seems like its so implicit (i.e., subconscious) in everything you express, that you really don't have a very strong understanding of how it colors everything you think/believe, and, as such, I think you guys wield it rather poorly.
So, whose fault is it really that we don't "see" your Si? Ours, or yours?