Entropic
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- Aug 20, 2012
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- MBTI Type
- INTJ
- Enneagram
- 8w9
- Instinctual Variant
- sx/so
Marilyn Manson is a good example of an INTJ 4. More emotionally sensitive, more NiFi. Carries a sense of grief or sorrow with them, wallows in their emotions, more likely to feel bereft, has a longing.
I think both systems touch on behavioral patterns but address different kinds of, and in both cases behavior is not the end point of the type but is a result of the specific type structure. In some cases the behavior also overlaps or correlates with each other.
lmao no offense, but just reading the few posts here by Gizmo (first time I've run into him), he oozes 4ness beyond. A couple of reasons why, but the major ones being that throughout the posts he's written, he keeps reinforcing his unique identity and how this has led him to being different and misunderstood, and he uses his own personal narrative experience of how he's emotionally experienced this to reinforce this point and at the same time want to have his unique identity acknowledged and recognized by others. Great showcase of type 4 logic through and through. 1s? They will focus on wrong/right, the proper way to be. There's nothing Gizmo has written that suggests he's concerned about rightness in such a way.
An unhealthy 4 will withdraw and introspect to quite an extreme, as I did through depression, but like you said is a mature 4 is what I call a healthy 4 and they very much want to be out in the world. It seems contradictory that "their supposed strength is their weakness." But that's only in theory, as it can only be assumed that a tertiary function is by default a weakness. However INTJ 4w5s are very much about their "inner world", and find ways to implement in the outside world. Enneagram is more about behaviors and what motivates you, as your MBTI is more about how you're brain cognitively functions and effects your personality.
I think both systems touch on behavioral patterns but address different kinds of, and in both cases behavior is not the end point of the type but is a result of the specific type structure. In some cases the behavior also overlaps or correlates with each other.
[MENTION=24874]Gizmo[/MENTION] seems more like 1w9 imo, they're big on nature and maturity
lmao no offense, but just reading the few posts here by Gizmo (first time I've run into him), he oozes 4ness beyond. A couple of reasons why, but the major ones being that throughout the posts he's written, he keeps reinforcing his unique identity and how this has led him to being different and misunderstood, and he uses his own personal narrative experience of how he's emotionally experienced this to reinforce this point and at the same time want to have his unique identity acknowledged and recognized by others. Great showcase of type 4 logic through and through. 1s? They will focus on wrong/right, the proper way to be. There's nothing Gizmo has written that suggests he's concerned about rightness in such a way.