Cypocalypse
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Just some ideas I'm trying to hypothesize about. I don't know if anyone here can relate to this, but I wanna point out some stuff.
Uhmmmm....is there any INTP here who are possibly affected by a potential insecurity of being a second-rate INTJ/ENTJ? It could be triggered by....let's say, an actual argument with an xNTJ
Think about it. Personally though, whenever I'm in a debate with someone about my character flaws, as an INTP, I use my NT logic. Usually, most of the people I argue with are SJs. For some reasons, I would always have faith that being the better out-of-the-box thinker, I can always out-reason an SJ for just showing something that he may not have thought of. It can be tiring, but based on personal experience, I can win arguments by having this INTP virtue.
On the other hand, arguing with an xNTJ is an entirely different thing. Most xNTJs, being NTs themselves, know where my arguments are coming, and having a stronger J means it puts an INTPs P function at a disadvantage.
TJs have an external validation (usually manifests in their achievements) and an INTP has a Ti (an inner affirmation) to use with, as a counter weapon.
Before, what I do when arguing with a TJ was looking for areas in his life that he may have overlooked. A stronger J means something will always be missed out, while a stronger P would most likely take everything into account. (But I use it sparingly because that line of arguing can be below the belt). The difference is, a J's better external manifestation of his achievements can appear more powerful than whatever an INTP builds up in inner self by his Ti, and in this sense, the external impression that TJ is a better evolution than an xNTP can be quite a pressure.
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I'm a young INTP of 26, and sometimes, I was thinking if it would have been better if I'm still a TJ. I would probably identify myself as a coerced xSTJ back then, until the system failed me, and I was put into a crossroad of needing to have an independent vision for myself. But first, I need to define first what I am, and chances are, I'm an innate INTP.
An apparent shift to fully embracing my INTPness may have defined what I am, and it made me get to know myself better, but having lack of Ni means that I still have to set definitive goals.
So does that mean a growth to an INTP means an augmentation of J values or do you think the notion of growth is purely subjective, and one cannot avoid the duality of shared pros and cons of whatever type of growth one may aspire for?
For one, I was wondering if being a young INTP is unhealthy. That is, one can just augment his P function once he actually gets something done by his J function. If my hypothesis is correct, mature TJs augment their P function once they're done with their career goals and have finally settled.
Or do you think these are just personality differences and the concept of growth is just a biased perspective that only gives rise to personality archetype elitism?
Uhmmmm....is there any INTP here who are possibly affected by a potential insecurity of being a second-rate INTJ/ENTJ? It could be triggered by....let's say, an actual argument with an xNTJ
Think about it. Personally though, whenever I'm in a debate with someone about my character flaws, as an INTP, I use my NT logic. Usually, most of the people I argue with are SJs. For some reasons, I would always have faith that being the better out-of-the-box thinker, I can always out-reason an SJ for just showing something that he may not have thought of. It can be tiring, but based on personal experience, I can win arguments by having this INTP virtue.
On the other hand, arguing with an xNTJ is an entirely different thing. Most xNTJs, being NTs themselves, know where my arguments are coming, and having a stronger J means it puts an INTPs P function at a disadvantage.
TJs have an external validation (usually manifests in their achievements) and an INTP has a Ti (an inner affirmation) to use with, as a counter weapon.
Before, what I do when arguing with a TJ was looking for areas in his life that he may have overlooked. A stronger J means something will always be missed out, while a stronger P would most likely take everything into account. (But I use it sparingly because that line of arguing can be below the belt). The difference is, a J's better external manifestation of his achievements can appear more powerful than whatever an INTP builds up in inner self by his Ti, and in this sense, the external impression that TJ is a better evolution than an xNTP can be quite a pressure.
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I'm a young INTP of 26, and sometimes, I was thinking if it would have been better if I'm still a TJ. I would probably identify myself as a coerced xSTJ back then, until the system failed me, and I was put into a crossroad of needing to have an independent vision for myself. But first, I need to define first what I am, and chances are, I'm an innate INTP.
An apparent shift to fully embracing my INTPness may have defined what I am, and it made me get to know myself better, but having lack of Ni means that I still have to set definitive goals.
So does that mean a growth to an INTP means an augmentation of J values or do you think the notion of growth is purely subjective, and one cannot avoid the duality of shared pros and cons of whatever type of growth one may aspire for?
For one, I was wondering if being a young INTP is unhealthy. That is, one can just augment his P function once he actually gets something done by his J function. If my hypothesis is correct, mature TJs augment their P function once they're done with their career goals and have finally settled.
Or do you think these are just personality differences and the concept of growth is just a biased perspective that only gives rise to personality archetype elitism?