nozflubber
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I'm sick and tired of these weak ass spirituality threads and reading about why "an NT would [consider] God". No offense but these discussions are for intellectual infants that can't grasp such a concept as beautiful as God (I blame lack of mathematics and philosophy training myself), so I want to post something that's really been itching the fuck out of me lately: Prayer.
Synthetical Hypothesis begins:
- God exists and prescribes a world for you that you are to deal with, one way or another.
- God has given you the intellectual tools of reason and faith.
- You are to rely on the tools God has given you rather than "special treatment" from God.
End conditional hypothesis. (modifications of the above are not accepted
Given those 3 propositions, why would a person (who believes in God) pray to God? First Off, we must understand that for some people the act of prayer is not necessarily a "serious" intellectual request or requirement, because sometimes the human mind just needs a sense of HOPE to move forward, or it cannot consider any future prospositions whatsoever. This is not the kind of prayer I am talking about, for as they say in the Marines, "There are no Atheists in a fox hole". Social science could not ever be so succinctly summarized, and we needn't give intellectual awards to Jarheads now do we?!
The kind of prayer I speak of, and bark against, is the kind of prayer that goes on BEYOND hope, and into the realm of "unacceptance" of what has been given from God. People pray for better jobs, better conditions, better family to come home to, better/hotter bitch to come home to fuck, whatever.... but these people have forgotten the first axiom: God has given to YOU what has been decided. You are to find happiness and glory in WHAT HAS BEEN PRESCRIBED!
I claim that prayer (outside of intellectual desperation and further stipulations) is an act of vanity against God. It is a direct and utterly shameless INSULT against God. You are essentially asking for more than what you were prescribed. This is akin to the Fat Kid asking for more beef stew because he can't muster the energy to pull himself over the bar beam - the problem isn't getting enough meat, fat boy, the problem is your disgusting sin of GLUTTONY and SLOTH underneath God. No true Just God would REQUIRE you to ask for more than what you have received to accomplish your goal, so why in the nine levels of Dante's hell are you begging for more weight and fat?
The only purpose of prayer (of this form) is to request from God what you were never intentionally given in the first place. What sort of person, actually BELIEVING in God, would do such a thing? This is what baffles me the most......And I must reiterate we must not judge people who are in the grips of despair, life and death moments, but the question is best put: Who among you who actually prays, actually believes? I think you Pray because you DON'T believe, if anything!
Mayhaps I confuse "Prayer" with Meditation before God. If that is the case, then I submit defeat - for there can be no greater Wisdom than Meditating before God/this Universe and accepting what is to be. However, Prayer is not done in this sense in large part in the western, Christian world, and even though an "NT heathen" such as myself doesn't believe in God, I fear for my fellow human for (1) they pray under a FALSE pretense of HOPE, but have in mind Vanity, Lust, Sloth and Gluttony.
Or maybe it's just much more simple than that, which to me is even more insulting as an NT: (2)I PRAY TO GOD BECAUSE A PIECE OF PAPYRUS TOLD ME TO!
I'm not sure whether (1) or (2) is more spiritually disgusting to anyone, although (2) is definitely is more lazy and superficual. No wonder it's the more popular....
Even if you do acknowlege that people pray for the wrong reasons, why would you pray to begin with? Why is prayer a "symptom" of faith? To me, the act of prayer demonstrates lack of faith in God, and is NOT an act of affirming belief.
*puts on ESTP hat* How's that for a spirituality thread, huh? Lazy bastards... you're more capable than this.
Synthetical Hypothesis begins:
- God exists and prescribes a world for you that you are to deal with, one way or another.
- God has given you the intellectual tools of reason and faith.
- You are to rely on the tools God has given you rather than "special treatment" from God.
End conditional hypothesis. (modifications of the above are not accepted
Given those 3 propositions, why would a person (who believes in God) pray to God? First Off, we must understand that for some people the act of prayer is not necessarily a "serious" intellectual request or requirement, because sometimes the human mind just needs a sense of HOPE to move forward, or it cannot consider any future prospositions whatsoever. This is not the kind of prayer I am talking about, for as they say in the Marines, "There are no Atheists in a fox hole". Social science could not ever be so succinctly summarized, and we needn't give intellectual awards to Jarheads now do we?!
The kind of prayer I speak of, and bark against, is the kind of prayer that goes on BEYOND hope, and into the realm of "unacceptance" of what has been given from God. People pray for better jobs, better conditions, better family to come home to, better/hotter bitch to come home to fuck, whatever.... but these people have forgotten the first axiom: God has given to YOU what has been decided. You are to find happiness and glory in WHAT HAS BEEN PRESCRIBED!
I claim that prayer (outside of intellectual desperation and further stipulations) is an act of vanity against God. It is a direct and utterly shameless INSULT against God. You are essentially asking for more than what you were prescribed. This is akin to the Fat Kid asking for more beef stew because he can't muster the energy to pull himself over the bar beam - the problem isn't getting enough meat, fat boy, the problem is your disgusting sin of GLUTTONY and SLOTH underneath God. No true Just God would REQUIRE you to ask for more than what you have received to accomplish your goal, so why in the nine levels of Dante's hell are you begging for more weight and fat?
The only purpose of prayer (of this form) is to request from God what you were never intentionally given in the first place. What sort of person, actually BELIEVING in God, would do such a thing? This is what baffles me the most......And I must reiterate we must not judge people who are in the grips of despair, life and death moments, but the question is best put: Who among you who actually prays, actually believes? I think you Pray because you DON'T believe, if anything!
Mayhaps I confuse "Prayer" with Meditation before God. If that is the case, then I submit defeat - for there can be no greater Wisdom than Meditating before God/this Universe and accepting what is to be. However, Prayer is not done in this sense in large part in the western, Christian world, and even though an "NT heathen" such as myself doesn't believe in God, I fear for my fellow human for (1) they pray under a FALSE pretense of HOPE, but have in mind Vanity, Lust, Sloth and Gluttony.
Or maybe it's just much more simple than that, which to me is even more insulting as an NT: (2)I PRAY TO GOD BECAUSE A PIECE OF PAPYRUS TOLD ME TO!
I'm not sure whether (1) or (2) is more spiritually disgusting to anyone, although (2) is definitely is more lazy and superficual. No wonder it's the more popular....
Even if you do acknowlege that people pray for the wrong reasons, why would you pray to begin with? Why is prayer a "symptom" of faith? To me, the act of prayer demonstrates lack of faith in God, and is NOT an act of affirming belief.
*puts on ESTP hat* How's that for a spirituality thread, huh? Lazy bastards... you're more capable than this.