Silveresque
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You know what? I relate more to all of the introverted functions than the extroverted ones. Si>Se, Ni>Ne, Fi>Fe, and Ti>Te. I am a true introvert.
Congratulations, you are not an idiot.
You know what? I relate more to all of the introverted functions than the extroverted ones. Si>Se, Ni>Ne, Fi>Fe, and Ti>Te. I am a true introvert.
Hmm. So which extraverted function do you relate to best? Are there ones you definitely don't relate to?
(Also, I knew you were a chick from the beginning. )
So, I'm not feeling very INFP lately. I usually test as either INFP or ISFP (and recently ISFJ on the cognitive function test), and I'm pretty sure I'm in some sort of dominant-tertiary loop. I could be an INFP in a Fi-Si loop...but I'm starting to doubt whether I'm really Fi-dom.
Here are the types I'm considering:
INFP (Fi-Si loop)
INTP (Ti-Si loop)
ISFJ (Si-Ti loop)
ISTJ (Si-Fi loop/NFP shadow mode)
The function test does not search for tertiaries or shadows, every question is oriented toward dominant functions.
Don't start with the assumption that you have some tertiary or shadow to look at first. This is backward. Your highest scores are sensing and feeling. You score highest on introversion. Now determine your p or j scale. Just remember that you're trying to determine your MBTI type, not your Jungian type. That you are Jungian Si-dom seems firmly established by your test results. Your MBTI is either ISFP or ISFJ. You shouldn't assume that an ISFJ person cannot score highest on the Si scale. It would surprise me far more if you scored highest on an N or T scale.
Over-all, your two S function scores totaled 72.1, and your F scores came to 68.0. N is only 43.3. T came in third with 56.4.
Another assumption you make, a false one this time, is that you can determine j or p according to your dominant, your tertiary, etc. Use a more straightforward method. Do you score higher on the j or p scale on tests that test for those?
By the way, if I went solely on your list of interests in your profile, I would say you're an INFP. Of course, that forms the good ole FiSi loop which could account for your high Si score and Fi secondary. That would be, well, really neurotic, if you don't mind my saying so.
Your test scores are so "all over the place," that I just think I'll have to go with INFP because of your profile description, and you say you consistently score P. The high Si on your present test result may or may not be meaningful as a tertiary, because the test does not test for anything but dominants, but I'll risk assuming that it is meaningful in this case.
My scores are generally consistent when they come from the same test. The results I showed you indicate that the tests are inconsistent with each other, which may mean one is accurate and the other inaccurate, or they may both be inaccurate.
Fortunately, I've saved a lot of my previous results. These are all from the keys2cognition test:
FIRST RESULTS:
extraverted Sensing (Se) ************** (14.3)
unused
introverted Sensing (Si) ******************************* (31.3)
good use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************** (38.4)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ****************** (18.5)
limited use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************* (21.9)
limited use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************************** (41.3)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************** (20.9)
limited use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ***************************************************** (53.4)
excellent use
Fi>Ti>Ne>Si>Te>Fe>Ni>Se
RECENT:
extraverted Sensing (Se) ***** (5.7)
unused
introverted Sensing (Si) ***************************************** (41.1)
excellent use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) **************************************** (40.2)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ************ (12.2)
unused
extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************** (22.6)
limited use
introverted Thinking (Ti) *********************************************** (47.9)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) *********************** (23.7)
limited use
introverted Feeling (Fi) *********************************************** (47)
excellent use
Ti=Fi>Ne=Si>Fe=Te>Ni>Se
MORE RECENT:
extraverted Sensing (Se) ********* (9.2)
unused
introverted Sensing (Si) *************************************** (39.4)
excellent use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************* (37.6)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************** (22.6)
limited use
extraverted Thinking (Te) *********** (11.8)
unused
introverted Thinking (Ti) *************************************** (39.5)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************************** (32.2)
good use
introverted Feeling (Fi) *********************************************** (47.3)
excellent use
Fi>Ti>Si=Ne>Fe>Ni>Te>Se
MOST RECENT:
extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************* (19.4)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) **************************************************** (52.7)
excellent use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************* (25.4)
average use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ***************** (17.9)
limited use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************* (21)
limited use
introverted Thinking (Ti) *********************************** (35.4)
good use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ***************************** (29.6)
average use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************** (38.4)
excellent use
Si>Fi>Ti>Fe>Ne>Te>Se>Ni
As you can see, it's really only the last one that's significantly different.
The Ti/Fi variance can be explained by shifts in my own perception and bias. The first time, I was certain that I was INFP, so Fi came out on top by a long shot. The second time was while I was typed as INTP, so I was biased toward Ti. Then the third time I was back to INFP, but this time less certain about the T/F dichotomy.
But which interests from my profile indicate INFP? Because if it's philosophy and art, those are ones I should probably remove since I don't actually pursue those interests.
I'm reading the Ne description from greenlightwiki, and I actually can't relate to it very well at all. I think I relate more to Ni.
I could be INFP with weak Ne and strong Si, or I could be ISFP with weak Se and strong Ni, or I could be ISTJ with weak Te and strong Fi. Supposedly, ISTJ fits best best with my temperament (melancholy compulsive in inclusion).
Could be "left-brain alternative" (which is taught by the same theory on that site).I'm reading the Ne description from greenlightwiki, and I actually can't relate to it very well at all. I think I relate more to Ni.
Melancholy is defined as introverted and task-focused. The Interaction Styles use introversion, of course, and directive is task focused. In the Keirsey groups, SJ is cooperative and structure focused, which is a parallel. (And Keirsey even said the SJ was the Melancholic).You're mixing two different but related systems: MBTI and Jung. This whole thing seems almost designed to confuse. And I know "they" say that ISTJ is a melancholy type, but I've never seen good evidence of this. Which temperament fits INFP best?
Could be "left-brain alternative" (which is taught by the same theory on that site).
Melancholy is defined as introverted and task-focused. The Interaction Styles use introversion, of course, and directive is task focused. In the Keirsey groups, SJ is cooperative and structure focused, which is a parallel. (And Keirsey even said the SJ was the Melancholic).
Melancholic
The melancholic temperament is fundamentally introverted and thoughtful. Melancholic people often were perceived as very (or overly) pondering and considerate, getting rather worried when they could not be on time for events. Melancholics can be highly creative in activities such as poetry and art - and can become preoccupied with the tragedy and cruelty in the world. Often they are perfectionists. They are self-reliant and independent; one negative part of being a melancholic is that they can get so involved in what they are doing they forget to think of others.
While they are equally as focused on personal values and an individualistic sense of morality as INFPs, the major difference in the application of dominant Fi is that ISFPs do not analyze and reanalyze their values through hypothetical or theoretical extensions of their imaginations. Unless they are directly contributing to solving a real moral dilemma that affects them or a friend or loved one personally, they see little value in hashing and rehashing all the different possible applications of their values when there is so much immediately available information to deal with in the real world of tangible sensations and emotions.
ISTJ
Quiet, serious,earn success by thoroughnessand dependability. Practical, matter-of-fact, realistic, and responsible. Decide logically what should be done and work toward it steadily, regardless of distractions. Take pleasure in making everything orderly and organized – their work, their home, their life.Value traditionsand loyalty.
ISFP
Quiet,friendly, sensitive, and kind.Enjoy the present moment, what’s going on around them.Like to have their own space and to work within their own time frame. Loyal and committed to their values and to people who are important to them. Dislike disagreements and conflicts, do not force their opinions or values on others.
INFP
Idealistic, loyal to their values and to people who are important to them. Want an external life that is congruent with their values.Curious, quick to see possibilities, can be catalysts for implementing ideas. Seek to understand people and to help them fulfill their potential.Adaptable, flexible, and acceptingunless a value is threatened.
"Thoughtful" there is just a general description; not the specific temperament factor I was referring to. Task focus is what comes out in the type theories as "directive" and "structure focused". Pure Melancholies are both! (And I don't see where "thoughtful" would contradict "task-focused" to begin with).
No, I didn't just look at "T", because NTP's are the exception in the Interaction Styles, being informative instead of directive (though they are still structure focused).
INFP vs. ISFP
Quote by simulatedworld:
I used to analyze my values sometimes, but I haven't been doing that lately. I went through a phase where philosophy and morality were fascinating, but lately I've kind of stopped seeing the point, to some extent. Just be compassionate and considerate, and that should be good enough. There's no need to make it more complicated than it is.
I would do one for ISTJ, but I can't find anything contrasting IxFP and ISTJ.
ISTJ
Quiet, serious, earn success by thoroughness and dependability. Practical, matter-of-fact, realistic, and responsible. Decide logically what should be done and work toward it steadily, regardless of distractions. Take pleasure in making everything orderly and organized – their work, their home, their life. Value traditions and loyalty.
ISFP
Quiet, friendly, sensitive, and kind. Enjoy the present moment, what’s going on around them. Like to have their own space and to work within their own time frame. Loyal and committed to their values and to people who are important to them. Dislike disagreements and conflicts, do not force their opinions or values on others.
INFP
Idealistic, loyal to their values and to people who are important to them. Want an external life that is congruent with their values. Curious, quick to see possibilities, can be catalysts for implementing ideas. Seek to understand people and to help them fulfill their potential. Adaptable, flexible, and accepting unless a value is threatened.