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Where do you stand on hypothetical?
Confused... Could you give us an example of what sort of situation you're thinking of? 'Cause I'd love to help out, considering the fact that I'm Te-dom too...Where do you stand on hypothetical?
Past-perfect subjunctive (if this or that had been) annoys me to the point where I will demand the other stop considering the impossible.If I am not in the mood for hypothetical, it tends to not only seem, from my perspective, both obsessive and at times crazy
What I meant by this was, I tend to like only my own N, or N that is on my level. For instance I will sometimes bat around the typical "hypothetical" idea, or out there possibilities and notions. However when in the presence of extremely hypothetical people, I get annoyed to death by the redundancy of spaced out thought. If I am not in the mood for hypothetical, it tends to not only seem, from my perspective, both obsessive and at times crazy.
Mostly I get this way around INFJs and INTPs. Anyway was just wondering if this was a Te thing, or more S trait in general.
I can sympathize with what you *might* be saying, in that I hate it when people use words in a way where it isn't clear what the words refer to. Some people string words together without saying anything at all. This happens a *lot* in philosophy. A non-question might be asked, such as "how is knowledge possible?" and a non-answer is given, "knowledge is made possible by the necessary a priori categories of our understanding using schemata structured via inner and outer intuition..."However when in the presence of extremely hypothetical people, I get annoyed to death by the redundancy of spaced out thought.
In my experience (based on the ENTP's I've known), once they reach a conclusion they stick with it regardless of the introduction of refuting/superior evidence, and in fact, may become offended by arguments that oppose their own. So...I guess I can see how types like mine, which explore every possibility (hypothetically), could cause you problems.
To compare, it would be like how we only care about something to the extent that it is usable, which probably annoys INTPs.
What I meant by this was, I tend to like only my own N, or N that is on my level. For instance I will sometimes bat around the typical "hypothetical" idea, or out there possibilities and notions. However when in the presence of extremely hypothetical people, I get annoyed to death by the redundancy of spaced out thought. If I am not in the mood for hypothetical, it tends to not only seem, from my perspective, both obsessive and at times crazy.
Mostly I get this way around INFJs and INTPs. Anyway was just wondering if this was a Te thing, or more S trait in general.
In my experience (based on the ENTP's I've known), once they reach a conclusion they stick with it regardless of the introduction of refuting/superior evidence, and in fact, may become offended by arguments that oppose their own. So...I guess I can see how types like mine, which explore every possibility (hypothetically), could cause you problems.
To compare, it would be like how we only care about something to the extent that it is usable, which probably annoys INTPs.
Oh. That.
That's Ti/Ne (and Ne/Ti). With respect to INFJs, it's kind of the same deal, when you start invoking their objective side, you get Ti, which as often as not will invoke Ne (not Se).
What's going on is that you as an xNTJ have a particular end or purpose in mind when involved in an objective discussion. You want to solve a problem, or figure out how to organize something, and so on. (Te stuff.)
Ti, especially Ti plus iNtuition, wants to explore the problem, not "solve" it. It's a totally different perspective. Ti folks seem to assume that you want to explore the problem, too. After all, if you don't "really" understand the problem, any solution you might derive might be wrong. Right?
Ni/Te and Te/Ni want to "explore" only insofar as to reach a conclusion in a reasonable amount of time, and then execute a plan. Ti will wonder what's the rush? What about this other piece of your problem, you know, where if this one really weird improbable thing happens, then your plan will fail?
Te weighs probabilities, and then executes. Ti explores possibilities. (I'm mostly assuming as combined with Ni/Ne ... I'm not as familiar with the S versions.)
I find it's quite generally the opposite, it just doesn't look that way.
If I reach a conclusion, I'm fully open to changing it, but yeu're going to have to fight for every inch of the way and prove yeurself fully. Yeu can't just go "I think yeu're wrong" and expect me to change my mind when yeu don't even know why I should. I will pull apart every piece of evidence given and make sure yeu know whot it is yeu're talking about. If yeu do, great, I'll change my mind once I know the alternative is closer to correct. I just don't change my mind on a whim is all.
Most likely, most other entp's are similar. Explore a ton of options in rapid succession, compare each, pick the one that makes the most sense at the time. Once they think they're right, yeu need to seriously know yeur stuff to change their minds.
As such, hardly "set in our way", just... don't want to change without a good reason to. If there's a good reason, then sure. Yeu just need a very good reason is all; chances are if yeu find an entp not changing, yeu're just explaining things poorly or they're finding too many gaps in yeur logic. If yeu can persevere and take on the seemingly endless stream of challenges they'll put yeur idea through, and make it to the end, then yeu can change our mind =3
If yeu give up halfway through, or hit a few loopholes or gaps in yeur argument, and can't fully fix them, then it'll be written off as just another mistake to be ignored.
Hypotheses serve their purpose, but are pointless on their own. Good ones enrich and enlighten. Bad ones you can learn from. In both cases, to follow your scientific method analogy, you need to follow up with concrete experimentation, analysis and conclusion.
It makes sense that it would be Te. It's very Te to go "Why are you SPECULATING when you could be GETTING THE JOB DONE???" I definitely do that.What I meant by this was, I tend to like only my own N, or N that is on my level. For instance I will sometimes bat around the typical "hypothetical" idea, or out there possibilities and notions. However when in the presence of extremely hypothetical people, I get annoyed to death by the redundancy of spaced out thought. If I am not in the mood for hypothetical, it tends to not only seem, from my perspective, both obsessive and at times crazy.
Mostly I get this way around INFJs and INTPs. Anyway was just wondering if this was a Te thing, or more S trait in general.