So for example, if Fe seeks harmony and also judges or Te seeks results or adherence with external standards, then people who do not fit the particular collective Fe or Te mold become excluded or even "ganged up on".
I think this is very true.
What would Te ganging up look like though?
The people have different Fi values, and so all I can really imagine is Te-users (and only doms or auxs, really) calling certain people slackers, wastes of space, or something of the like (which, btw, I fully support, as these slackers, wastes of space, etc. will, if they actually vote, more likely than not vote for candidates who support policies to benefit their lazy, slacker asses by getting other hard-working people to pay for their goods and services). Aside from that, though, I'm not sure there is really enough collectivism amongst Te-users, to really instigate a "ganging up on" somebody.
Fe-users, on the other hand, do tend to seem more united than Te-users, for some reason...
That's your problem right there -- mislabelling a lot of things as fake when it's really just a shortness of perception on your own part.
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Maybe it's different the further you get out of a high school / college environment or having to live under your family's rules, and instead start seeing the benefits of a functional workplace and/or society.
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Heck, maybe you can see some of them around you on this forum. I think you'd be getting dumped on a lot more if social niceties were dropped. You might feel such rules and formalities inhibit you, but they also protect you.
Well, I was kinda tongue-in-cheekly being the knee-jerk-reaction, only-see-the-negative-side-of-the-Fe-coin guy when I wrote that, but...
To address the points you
did bring up:
- see, I can't stand Fe in the workplace. In fact, I probably can't stand it there more than anywhere else, cuz I can use my Te to masquerade as Fe, but I don't genuinely feel the need or desire to "collectivize" with other Fe-users; they, however, do genuinely feel the need to do so with each other. They then form "clicks", as Orobas regularly points out, and, as Highlander has been suggesting, and they develop a sort of "gang" mentality by which they collectively want to hammer down any nail that dares stick its head out (i.e., does not abide by their collective "morality").
Aside from that, my issues with Fe are with both my own and my girlfriend's mother (both ESFJs), and how they both care so much about the opinions of other people, in an extremely vapid and shallow way. They're both lovely people on the whole, but this trait absolutely disgusts me.
I remember my mom once cajoling me in junior high or high school to do or buy something (I really don't remember what it was), me putting up resistance, and her stating, "but Z (yes, she calls me by my abbreviated username, as well), it's a trendy thing to do/buy"... I was just like
... that was like the exact
opposite of how to get me to do/buy something, but for my mom, I could tell that it somehow made sense.
My father is an ISTJ, and he's like the
exact opposite: doesn't give a damn about anybody else's opinions or what "society" wants him to do, etc.
I just always sided with my father on this one, which, when you really look at it, is like siding with Fi over Fe.
Maybe this is why I feel as strongly about it as I do.
My poor mother, too... her other child was an IxTJ daughter... she musta been, "so ronery... so ronery..."
- as for protection: I'm way past the days of needing protection from other
individuals. Maybe when I was younger, before I'd developed my sense of self, this may have been the case. Not anymore. If someone thinks they can rock my boat, I welcome them to try. I am far more critical of myself than anyone else could possibly be of me, and when you've been forged from that kind of fire, someone else's little bottle rocket really ain't gunna do shit.
Unfortunately, what I don't exactly have from protection from is the "gang" mentality of Fe-users, especially in a corporate hierarchy. I can navigate reasonably well, try not to cross wires with them, but there's an inevitable external pressure I feel from these folks, that I don't feel from Fi-users. Fi-users will go on their way, and
so long as you don't actively go out of your way and bother them, they won't bother you. Fe-users, though,
if you don't engage them the way they want to be engaged by others, then you
do bother them. They seem to feel shunned, or blunted, because they want to engage with others in a way that -- if I'm not on certain mind-altering substances -- I don't really feel the need/desire to do. Then, as someone who doesn't engage them in this way, you become someone who's "not part of the group". Then you've got to deal with all kinds of stupid political bullshit because of it. All because you don't feel the need/desire to get all collective emoshy-woshy with your co-workers. It's fucking
.
- And I understand that we can use all 8 functions, and yada yada yada, yeah, I get that crap. But guess what: I don't really feel the need/desire to get all collective emoshy-woshy with people, so to
make myself feel that way, is basically
putting on a fake mask and pretending that I do. Oh, and I do it. You got to. It's just fucking
.
So
you Fe, for forcing me to choose between: 1) being
authentic and dealing with
more office politics; or 2) being
inauthentic and dealing with
less office politics. You're really doing me a big favor there!