GarrotTheThief
The Green Jolly Robin H.
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What do you think? This interview is pretty interesting...I think he might be an ENTJ or an ENTP but I can't tell. He's listed as an ENFP.
http://youtu.be/OOik9i9wrU8
Haven't watched the whole interview but ENFP? Who's calling Jack White an ENFP? I don't see any Ne at all actually. He's composed and put together in a grimly eccentric way. I've only watched about five minutes of the interview you posted but he has that zoned out, contemplative look I associate with Ni. And he reads like a subversive Fe provocateur to me in terms of music and style.
xNFJ, IMHO. Seems very clearly beta quadra, if you're into socionics.
eh. jack white's music is very fi to me; raw, intense and kind of wild in feeling versus calculated and constructed and a bit guarded in an Fe way. Fe music also seems to have a larger mission; for instance, INFJ david bowie's blatant commentary on humanity space travel and society and whatnot. it's funny that you associate a zoned out look with Ni; i think that's very INFP, really. the Ni users i know are pretty intensely focused; i don't really see INFJs or INTJs 'zone out' in the way INFPs do. maybe they'll 'zone out' for a second but quickly they're back, engaging in the moment and communicating or getting stuff done. my INFJ friend would always get annoyed when i would get this look on my face like i was on another planet; 'you're so up in the air and spacey!' she would say. Fe users are much more engaged in their environment and other people, even when they have Ni.
jack white is pretty dreamy, off in his own world, and that strikes me as far more INFP. i know many people think jack white is an ENFP but i think they're confusing his energy onstage with his energy off. he seems like a highly introspective, low-energy, soft and reclusive person offstage. i know quite a few INFPs that are pretty similar to him. he's very INFP imo. he doesn't give me an XNFJ vibe at. all.
Disagree on the distinctions you're drawing between Fi and Fe, which seems a little simplistic to me. Both varieties of NFs can be intensely concerned with broad social issues, just like they can be concerned with the personal and private world of emotion. Fe is just more likely to direct the energy towards drawing other people in and affecting/manipulating (don't mean this in a negative way) them emotionally.
I agree that INFPs can also look spaced out ... but it takes on a softer, less present appearance to me than Ni zoning out. But this is purely based on personal perceptions of "vibe" so I really don't expect it to be convincing to anyone who doesn't also see things the same way already.
[MENTION=23222]Arcana[/MENTION]
I've watched most of the OP video and 1/3 of the one below. Jack White's Ni dominance is most striking. Ideas for his music come either from God or the quantum-level of reality. The stage is his pulpit, and his preaching is an undercurrent in his music. He preaches "from the hip." He doesn't like having to sell himself. Jack White is a truth-seeker, but it's hard to say exactly what level of truth he's talking about. He stated in the video below that he seeks balance between himself and the audience. This is different from the harmony desired by the INFP, although he doesn't go into any detail about balance. Nevertheless, Jack White's MBTI type is INFJ.
As for enneagram, Jack White is definitely in the Intensity harmonic. In terms of balance, this indicates that he feels a certain way (intensely emotional) and wants the audience to feel the same way. The undercurrent (spoken of above) in White's music is heavily intense and emotion-laden.
The Intensity types are 4, 6, and 8. Four, being in the heart triad, is Jack White's core type. The question now involves wing type and tritype. So far nothing he says indicates one wing type over another, but the life he leads is more 4w3 than 4w5.
Jack White is a seeker after truth. Tritype is 469 ("Visionary"), the type that pushes White to seek unity and stay in emotional touch with his audience, his collective, his group or tribe. Otherwise he would lose touch with humanity, a trait more typical of the 459 tritype.
[MENTION=23222]Arcana[/MENTION]
I've watched most of the OP video and 1/3 of the one below. Jack White's Ni dominance is most striking. Ideas for his music come either from God or the quantum-level of reality. The stage is his pulpit, and his preaching is an undercurrent in his music. He preaches "from the hip." He doesn't like having to sell himself. Jack White is a truth-seeker, but it's hard to say exactly what level of truth he's talking about. He stated in the video below that he seeks balance between himself and the audience. This is different from the harmony desired by the INFP, although he doesn't go into any detail about balance. Nevertheless, Jack White's MBTI type is INFJ.
As for enneagram, Jack White is definitely in the Intensity harmonic. In terms of balance, this indicates that he feels a certain way (intensely emotional) and wants the audience to feel the same way. The undercurrent (spoken of above) in White's music is heavily intense and emotion-laden.
The Intensity types are 4, 6, and 8. Four, being in the heart triad, is Jack White's core type. The question now involves wing type and tritype. So far nothing he says indicates one wing type over another, but the life he leads is more 4w3 than 4w5.
Jack White is a seeker after truth. Tritype is 469 ("Visionary"), the type that pushes White to seek unity and stay in emotional touch with his audience, his collective, his group or tribe. Otherwise he would lose touch with humanity, a trait more typical of the 459 tritype.
i don't see how any of the distinctions i made are any more 'simplistic' than yours with that zoning out comment. i wouldn't say all INFPs are 'soft' in their zoning out; have you only met INFP enneagram 9s? INFP enneagram 4w5s can come across much edgier in certain ways... i'm one and i zone out a lot but wouldn't say i come across as 'soft.'
of course both Fi and Fe users are concerned with social issues, but i find that Fe music can be a little more... idk, overt with the social and humanity implications? Fi music just FEELS more emotionally raw and intuitive to me. i just know when i hear it. i have Fi and Fe musician friends, and the Fi music just feels more emotionally intimate and kind of wild in a way.
I think discerning Ni in music and musicians is a little tricky because i find that Ni users especially can see it anywhere, even in people for whom it isn't a preference. i've been told i have Ni in my writing and i'm definitely an INFP.
I think you're doing Fe a disservice by assuming that it can't be emotionally raw and intuitive though. Anyone can have emotional depth and intensity ... this is not really type-related, IMO. And rawness can be just as much of a persona as much as some kind of love and peace, let's-save-the-world Oprah Winfrey style.
I see a consciousness and intentionality in Jack White's self-presentation that points to Fe for me as well as an invocation of visceral physicality that Ne/Si users don't tend to nearly as much, IME. Not saying INFP 4s can't be dark and edgy ... but he doesn't read like one to me.
so what would you describe as the differences in music between Fi and Fe musicians? who do you consider to be INFP musicians?
Joan Baez is a great example of an INFP musician to me ... and one who makes socially relevant music to boot. The differences between Fi and Fe aren't reducible to such easy stereotypes, IMO.
Kurt Cobain is a great example of an INFP 4.
Ultimately, my providing examples is not going to help whatsoever as you clearly identify with Jack White and since you self-type as an INFP 4, he must be one too in your eyes.
Agree to disagree.
and what makes kurt cobain a 4w5 INFP?
Intensity of feeling combined with a comparative lack of refinement and purpose in the presentation of it.
how does the music have a lack of purpose?
so basically fi is the neanderthal cousin of fe?